Taabernakkelin kennel

[Mikael]

To swedish specialist: from Satu at Taabernakkelin.

I did not say I was a specialist, I only ask for the official HD result on Sleeping Storm, as you did sell 13 CsV puppy’s here on WD.org whit the HD result A/A, but you do in fact not have a official x-ray at all, I have ask you about this in your e-mail box many many times now, but NO answer !!! And way do you not answer to me, Margo or the Fkk about it ???

Sorry. In my ebox I don´t have any emails from you.
You last email in my box is 2008-06-23 23:16.

Very strange as you did answer my last e-mails
2008-10-29
2008-10-28
2008-10-14
2008-07-14
2008-07-13
2008-06-24
And I have all answers in my mail box…
But you did not wont to answer on the tree last e-mail !!!

HERE IS THE LAST…

e-mail from Mikael to Taabernakkelin kennel

Satu

I do not se this as a complicated question,
either you have official HD results on Sleeping Storm or not ???

Either way I demand an answer !!!

If you do not answer me by Monday, I will have to call Fkk my self
and ask way her result is missing in there database.

Regards / Mikael

About Sleeping Storms X-rays photos you have answer from Suski.

Yes, but Suski did not sell or lay about the HD result to any puppy buyers, YOU DID !!!
And YOU had the false results here on WD.org as you did sell your pappy’s !!!
Margo can confirm this info !!! as she did later change the result from A/A to X on Sleeping Storms after she did receive e-mails from at least 3 puppy buyers, and double check the info whit Fkk !!!

You have taken contact to fin kennelclub and next time when you take
contact there again, you can ask about imported dogs eye results where
they are....

I did talk to Fkk yesterday about your non reply tactic, but way would I ask about the eye tests ???
Is there something wrong whit Sleeping Storms eyes ???

About your complaning. You ask 100% money back from me. If I pay 100% money back ,dog is mine...But you have thinking that before you request?

My request is that you get official HD result on Sleeping Storm !!!
And if she has bad hips, I will demand ALL money back, but only if !!!
As I did buy a dog from A/A parents for 2400 Euro that is what I wont !!!
But NO you will newer get the dog back !!!

You have nice purebreed dog which had been absolutely too fat in young
age.( you have judgement)

Now you get childish as you always get when you are in trouble !!!
My two vets did say he was perfect at that age, and the show judges like very skinny unhealthy dogs.
But you all can judge here : www.wolfdog.se/gallery/hronec-taabernakkelin Is he fat or not ???

I think you dog is also healthy ( not any bad healthy problems)

I do hope he his !!! but I will do his HD x-ray when he is 24 month as the vet recommends, but this is not about his hips, its about that you did sell 13 pup’s to about 10 buyers that did believe that Sleeping Storm was A/A, and now we do not know if she is ??? maybe she is C/C or D/D ??? WE DEMAND A OFFICIAL HD RESULT !!!

So good luck for your future breeding!

Thanks, and you can help me by get Sleeping Storms HD result on the pedigree, as it is now missing !!!

Regards / Mikael

[*Satu]

Sorry Mikael but who talk about shit now?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by *Satu

Sorry Mikael but who talk about shit now?

About what ??? as I can prove all I say by old e-mail, and old prints from WD.org…

And as people that did by a puppy from you and Margo can confirm the false HD result !!!

And everybody can NOW se in the database that Sleeping Storm has NO HD result, not A/A or A(0/0) but " data not available" se here : http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/3616

And maybe you can tell me way her Bonitation code is now X ???

BUT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ??? IS IT SO HARD TO SEND THE X-RAY TO GET A OFFICIAL RESULT ??? OR DO YOU KNOW SHE IS NOT A/A AND THAT IS THE BIG PROBLEM ???

And as you can send that X-ray to other country´s then Finland I do not se ANY excuse at all !!!

TELL ME WHAT YOU WONT ME TO PROVE, AND I CAN PROVE IT TO ALL ONLINE !!! HERE ON WD:ORG !!!

Regards / Mikael

[*Satu]

yes you can do what you want...

You can ask thous x-ray photos from Suski but i think she doesn´t help you.

And you can cry also that I have sold many dog whitout money at all...

Every breeder can say own price. That can be 0-100000e if they want.
Hronsek is HD clear whitout any fat.

Can you read you dog pedigree there is many dogs whitout any official healtyresults.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by *Satu

yes you can do what you want...

You can ask thous x-ray photos from Suski but i think she doesn´t help you.

And you can cry also that I have sold many dog whitout money at all...

Every breeder can say own price. That can be 0-100000e if they want.
Hronsek is HD clear whitout any fat.

Can you read you dog pedigree there is many dogs whitout any official healtyresults.

It is not about the price, its about that you did sell puppy’s from A/A parents, but you did not have a official HD result on Sleeping Storm at ALL. And I demand to get what I did pay you fore…

It is called FALSE MARKETING and is ILLEGAL in Finland and probably in EU to !!!

It is also ILLEGAL to use unofficial HD result on pure-bred by Fkk and FCI !!!

You are a member of Fkk and FCI, or are you not ???

YOUR ANSWER IS THAT YOU WILL NOT GET THE OFFICIAL X-RAY ON SLEEPING STORM ??? Even if you did sell 13 puppy’s as coming from a A/A female !!!

I guess this say all about you and your kennel !!!

And way would I ask Suski about the x-ray on your dog ??? She has nothing to do whit that you did sell puppies on WD.org whit Sleeping Storm as A/A, THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM NOT HER´S !!!

/ Mikael

[Wolfsirius]

This case is between you two, but i just want to say, for future,
that please do not ever buy any dog only with info gave by internet.
(especially in any unofficial page) There is ALWAYS official paper about healthy records, if official tests exist.
If i am looking for something for myself, and i want for sure some things from it, i will ask official papers about that, always. Even, i want to trust people who i work with, but black on white is the best way to prove everything, and then is not indistinct anything. I hope you can clear your differences somehow, is nonsense to fight and blame each others in forums. Is very shame that in every breed is lot of disagreement between people.

-Suski

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

This case is between you two, but i just want to say, for future,

Well, no, it is not just between them, guess all CZW owners and breeders are interested about things like this happening in various kennels. So the question is "does the dog have an official x-ray results or not?" And the answer is still missig...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

This case is between you two, but i just want to say, for future,
that please do not ever buy any dog only with info gave by internet.
(especially in any unofficial page) There is ALWAYS official paper about healthy records, if official tests exist.
If i am looking for something for myself, and i want for sure some things from it, i will ask official papers about that, always. Even, i want to trust people who i work with, but black on white is the best way to prove everything, and then is not indistinct anything. I hope you can clear your differences somehow, is nonsense to fight and blame each others in forums. Is very shame that in every breed is lot of disagreement between people.

-Suski

This is not only between Satu and me !!! its about her and 10 puppy buyers to !!!

It is also about a false result here on WD.org !!!

And as Satu did not answer on PM to me or Fkk on many many month, this is her choice of talking about this not min !!! I gave her ALLOT of chances to answer !!!

And yes I did trust Satu and the result here on WD.org just as Margo and ALL puppy buyer I did talk to !!!

And even if we would ask, the papers are in Finish, therefore I trusted Satus word for it, as I do not know any Finish !!!

And I did not think Satu was ILLEGAL !!! but I guess I was wrong !!!

But I do not se way she refuses to get a official x-ray if now Sleeping Storm is A/A fore real !!!

Best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by *Satu

You can ask thous x-ray photos from Suski but i think she doesn´t help you.

Thanks by the way fore telling everybody the truth !!!

That you did sell puppies here on WD.org as coming from A/A parents, but you in fact do not have any x-ray at ALL on Sleeping Storm, and the only one that has a unofficial result is Suski !!!

Now everybody knows that what I say is the truth and not just bull shit as you did say !!!

Best regards / Mikael