Taabernakkelin kennel

Vaiva · 11-03-2009, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

This case is between you two, but i just want to say, for future,

Well, no, it is not just between them, guess all CZW owners and breeders are interested about things like this happening in various kennels. So the question is "does the dog have an official x-ray results or not?" And the answer is still missig...

Mikael · 11-03-2009, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, no, it is not just between them, guess all CZW owners and breeders are interested about things like this happening in various kennels. So the question is "does the dog have an official x-ray results or not?" And the answer is still missig...

The answer you can se here by Suski from another topic...

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Mikael; the dog i think you are speaking about is x-rayed, and x-rays is here by me, (still) even the dog is not owned by me. Vet took the x-rays , and we didn't send it to kennelclub...
/ Suski

And as Satu say that is the only x-ray photo there is of Sleeping Storm !!! She has NO official x-ray result !!!

Finish Kennel Club also say Sleeping Storm has NO official x-ray result !!!

I do not know way Satu did use this HD result as official here on WD.org as she do not answer either me or Fkk !!! And I do not think she has answer Margo about it neither or any other puppy buyer...

Sad but true / Mikael

jennyw1 · 11-03-2009, 23:51

I was the owner of one pupp from this combination also after Wolfsirius Sleeping storm but Tabeernakkelin Jelenie had to put to sleep because illness with stomac short time after i had her.
I also belived in Satus word after visiting her before decide to buy a dog from her she said "No HD on my dogs" and i cant read Finish so i did not askt to see any paper on that i could not read it anyway and the trouth is comming out in the end anyway but then the dog are allready paid and loved with or withoute Hd but still i have in my mind i paid for a dog after no Hd parents but did i only got foled?One dead dog and also foled!

This angry and sad diskussion is realy shows that Satu have no good answer to this and what kind of breeder is that?
And she blame the dog owner if she can when she should support instead. When my pup was sick i did all wrong she said and when she talkt to the vet how treat the pup the vet did all wrong and Satu never do anyting wrong!

Where are the rest of this dog owners with dogs after Sleeping storm in this diskussion?What are they thinking about this?

Jelenie In memeory!

Mikael · 12-03-2009, 02:49

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Originally Posted by jennyw1

This angry and sad diskussion is realy shows that Satu have no good answer to this and what kind of breeder is that?

And she blame the dog owner if she can when she should support instead. When my pup was sick i did all wrong she said and when she talkt to the vet how treat the pup the vet did all wrong and Satu never do anyting wrong!

I agree !!!

And you ALL can read more about how much support Satu did give Jenny here...
>> http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8907

/ Mikael

hanninadina · 12-03-2009, 10:52

Sorry, Mikael, it is(!) a thing between you and Satu, as Suski already wrote. It is a mess that you are pointing it out here in the forum. As Suski wrote, wolfdog.org is not an official csw side! You can find it in italy there there are all datas official in internet to see.

So, if I am interested to get a dog for breeding or whatever, I get an impression here. But, if I don´t know the persons and their dogs I will go further and look for official papers and if I don´t understand the language I will translate if I think it is sooo improtant for me!

Satu thinks that her dogs are all free of hd and healthy. So it is her opinion. No one could be save that all his dogs are free of any kind of illness. It is an animal, it is nature. And sometimes things happens which we don´t can see in advance.

You are a beginner in the world of csw. So as a beginner you have to inform yourself. Normally one goes to the breeder and looks at his kennel and of course the dogs. And than goes to another breeder for having some comparison. Or if you don´t do that you are satiesfyd with the first one. But you can not blame people if things happen which are for you so important but not for the breeder. I don´t know if it is allowed to breed in Finland with csw without official HD-results. It seems to me, but you will tell me how it is. I know that in italy you only need papers for csw and you can do what you want. No bonitation, no HD-results, no show results. The big and good breeders will have of course all. But there are so many black sheeps.

So if it not necessaey to have official HD-result, it is your own work to ask if Satu had offcial had result. You wrote by yourself that you did not ask that for! Satu knew from first HD lok which Suski did, that there will be no hd. And for her it was enough.

So please it is a thing between you, maybe if some other puppy buyer has problems, for them, but it nothing for us all!

You did read her here there are breeders who breed with male csw who does not have bonitation and are not allowed to breed. These points are main points but not what you are talking about. Still today there are no official hd-results from these two litters from Sleeping and what for are you complaning for in this moment?

And by the way you did not answer my eMail from a few weeks ago either!

Christian

Mikael · 12-03-2009, 12:30

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Sorry, Mikael, it is(!) a thing between you and Satu, as Suski already wrote. It is a mess that you are pointing it out here in the forum. As Suski wrote, wolfdog.org is not an official csw side! You can find it in italy there there are all datas official in internet to see.

First it was here on the forum that the false result A(0/0) was used, and ALL puppy buyer that I did talk to did think Sleeping Storm was HD A, and secondly I ask Satu to answer to Fkk not here read post #1 !!!

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So, if I am interested to get a dog for breeding or whatever, I get an impression here. But, if I don’t know the persons and their dogs I will go further and look for official papers and if I don´t understand the language I will translate if I think it is sooo improtant for me!

Yes in the future I will, however I did ask Satu in person to, and she did say she only breed on A/A dogs

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Satu thinks that her dogs are all free of hd and healthy. So it is her opinion. No one could be save that all his dogs are free of any kind of illness. It is an animal, it is nature. And sometimes things happens which we don´t can see in advance.

But Finish kennel Club say Satu can not use a unofficial result, IT MUST BE OFFICIAL if she is going to use a HD result at all !!! and that she do not follow Fkk rules !!! which I was sure she did as she is a Fkk / FCI breeder !!!

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You are a beginner in the world of csw. So as a beginner you have to inform yourself. Normally one goes to the breeder and looks at his kennel and of course the dogs. And than goes to another breeder for having some comparison. Or if you don´t do that you are satiesfyd with the first one. But you can not blame people if things happen which are for you so important but not for the breeder. I don´t know if it is allowed to breed in Finland with csw without official HD-results. It seems to me, but you will tell me how it is. I know that in italy you only need papers for csw and you can do what you want. No bonitation, no HD-results, no show results. The big and good breeders will have of course all. But there are so many black sheeps.

You can breed whiteout, but you can not use unofficial HD results on a pure-bred !!!

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So if it not necessaey to have official HD-result, it is your own work to ask if Satu had offcial had result. You wrote by yourself that you did not ask that for! Satu knew from first HD lok which Suski did, that there will be no hd. And for her it was enough.

She can think what she wont’s, but she can not use it as advertising or info when she sell a litter, neither in text or by mouth !!! according to the Fkk !!!

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So please it is a thing between you, maybe if some other puppy buyer has problems, for them, but it nothing for us all!

As I did say read post one, Satu can answer in private to Fkk, but it is apparently very hard to just say NO I DO NOT HAVE A OFFICIAL X-RAY !!!

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You did read her here there are breeders who breed with male csw who does not have bonitation and are not allowed to breed. These points are main points but not what you are talking about. Still today there are no official hd-results from these two litters from Sleeping and what for are you complaning for in this moment?

That Satu did lay about the HD result to me and others, and we wont to know the official result on Sleeping Storm. Is or was she ever A/A ??? I think we have the right to know !!! even if all offspring’s will be A/A there mother will be HD unknown !!! Therefore I did send a report to Fkk, demanding a official x-ray !!!

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And by the way you did not answer my eMail from a few weeks ago either!

Are you sure you did send it to me ??? I’m sure I did send my e-mails to Satu as she did answer on 5 of 8 of them…But to be very sure I did send tree e-mail !!!

But please send me that e-mail again, and I will answer you, my e-mail is wolfdog_of_sweden-a-hotmail.com but whit a @ instead of –a-

Best regards / Mikael

Juniorwolf · 12-03-2009, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Mikael

But please send me that e-mail again, and I will answer you, my e-mail is wolfdog_of_sweden-a-hotmail.com but whit a @ instead of –a-

Best regards / Mikael

You got new email ???
On your home page is different(old) email, maybe that is why you don`t answer on my emails too ?

Greetings Rolf

11-03-2009, 23:51	#3
jennyw1 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 20	No Hd result yet? I was the owner of one pupp from this combination also after Wolfsirius Sleeping storm but Tabeernakkelin Jelenie had to put to sleep because illness with stomac short time after i had her. I also belived in Satus word after visiting her before decide to buy a dog from her she said "No HD on my dogs" and i cant read Finish so i did not askt to see any paper on that i could not read it anyway and the trouth is comming out in the end anyway but then the dog are allready paid and loved with or withoute Hd but still i have in my mind i paid for a dog after no Hd parents but did i only got foled?One dead dog and also foled! This angry and sad diskussion is realy shows that Satu have no good answer to this and what kind of breeder is that? And she blame the dog owner if she can when she should support instead. When my pup was sick i did all wrong she said and when she talkt to the vet how treat the pup the vet did all wrong and Satu never do anyting wrong! Where are the rest of this dog owners with dogs after Sleeping storm in this diskussion?What are they thinking about this? Jelenie In memeory!

12-03-2009, 10:52	#5
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Sorry, Mikael, it is(!) a thing between you and Satu, as Suski already wrote. It is a mess that you are pointing it out here in the forum. As Suski wrote, wolfdog.org is not an official csw side! You can find it in italy there there are all datas official in internet to see. So, if I am interested to get a dog for breeding or whatever, I get an impression here. But, if I don´t know the persons and their dogs I will go further and look for official papers and if I don´t understand the language I will translate if I think it is sooo improtant for me! Satu thinks that her dogs are all free of hd and healthy. So it is her opinion. No one could be save that all his dogs are free of any kind of illness. It is an animal, it is nature. And sometimes things happens which we don´t can see in advance. You are a beginner in the world of csw. So as a beginner you have to inform yourself. Normally one goes to the breeder and looks at his kennel and of course the dogs. And than goes to another breeder for having some comparison. Or if you don´t do that you are satiesfyd with the first one. But you can not blame people if things happen which are for you so important but not for the breeder. I don´t know if it is allowed to breed in Finland with csw without official HD-results. It seems to me, but you will tell me how it is. I know that in italy you only need papers for csw and you can do what you want. No bonitation, no HD-results, no show results. The big and good breeders will have of course all. But there are so many black sheeps. So if it not necessaey to have official HD-result, it is your own work to ask if Satu had offcial had result. You wrote by yourself that you did not ask that for! Satu knew from first HD lok which Suski did, that there will be no hd. And for her it was enough. So please it is a thing between you, maybe if some other puppy buyer has problems, for them, but it nothing for us all! You did read her here there are breeders who breed with male csw who does not have bonitation and are not allowed to breed. These points are main points but not what you are talking about. Still today there are no official hd-results from these two litters from Sleeping and what for are you complaning for in this moment? And by the way you did not answer my eMail from a few weeks ago either! Christian