Breeding with dysplatic dogs

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Apart from the hip discussions, what sense do these matings ( two sisters and the same sire ) make?

None, to tell you the truth I cant avoid to say what I note those last years, its only a dog winn some dogshows or get a supposed more important title that he start to be massivelly used by all breeders, without concern with the compatibility of this dog to their females or not.

We can see the litters in the start of this year, one atipical stud, with atipical character and horrible movement was well used blindly for some breeders because his show titles, this fact is only reppeating with Veron and will repeat over again, until some breeders learn that selection is not made by titles, but looking lines, health and tipicity, things that show doesn't select anymore.

Select by titles, its tipical of Golden Retrievers and more popular breeds, with a huge amount of bloodlines, also in these breeds we can meet a huge ammount of problems, but its not such dangerous because they have a good amount of blood, different of CzW breed, maybe its the hour of people open the eyes for this problem before be too late.

This year in europe what I saw really worried me, some, but some dogs with horrible movement, including here some well known winners, some dogs showing cleary problems in elbows and some dogs with really atipical body, a good amount of dogs with labrador chest, Brazilian mastif's top line, German shepherd or molosser head, seems that the word "wolfish" was fogotten, sometimes we can see people referring as "wolfish" one foxy attipical weak head with big round eyes, a real problem for a working dog like CzW should be.

Seems that the problem is spreaded over the world and people dont get aware of it, keep working like if noting is happening, sometimes we can meet breeders which have no idea about the meaning of the standard, others have no idea about how to judge the dog, some are blind with the perfection of their dogs.

Originally Posted by Michaelundinaeichhorn

Is it possible to make list of of dogs x-rayed in Czech Republic and then again in Poland, but with a better result?

I dont think it would be possible, for what I know the results are not only made in Poland but also in Italy among other countries and for what I know these results are suppose to be "non official", publish it surelly will cause some headache for the admin.
But without doubts it would be nice to publish, will be very helpfull for the breeders.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

to tell you the truth I cant avoid to say what I note those last years, its only a dog winn some dogshows or get a supposed more important title that he start to be massivelly used by all breeders, without concern with the compatibility of this dog to their females or not.

We can see the litters in the start of this year, one atipical stud, with atipical character and horrible movement was well used blindly for some breeders because his show titles

I agree 100%, this is especially a problem in country´s that do not even have a CsV judge, there are judges that do not know the standard, But they can still say a dog is champion of the breed or not

And after a champion tittle, even a wrong one (and the breeder knows it), the breeder will breed on it And sometimes even whit bad hips And maybe more than ones

And than we have the "I run on all the smal dogshow breeders" to get a fast champion tittle, but I do not come to the special club dog show or any big shows, and now I do not just talk about the CsV breed and Sweden, fortunately we do not have this problem... YET !!!

Best regards / Mikael