Breeding with dysplatic dogs

[Juniorwolf]

Originariamente inviata da z Peronówki

She is breeding with the HD-D female (official result from one of the Czech vets). And because she owe the good result to the italian vet since this time for she changed also her opinion - now the Italian vet are simple the best...

This is simply not true !

I admit that I am not an expert on this, but I have seen the x-rays of Api with my own eyes and she do not have HD D for sure ...I think you know very well that a tiny difference in the position of the legs in time of the x-ray can make a huge difference on the result ...if I remember right, you wrote in another post that the results can be different from vet. to vet. even in the same country ? ...so why does it matter where the x-rays is taken ?
If you had seen the actual x-rays of Api you would know that she does`nt have HD D for sure !

"I only believe what I have seen with my own eyes" ...I love Hanka for this saying

[z Peronówki]

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I admit that I am not an expert on this, but I have seen the x-rays of Api with my own eyes and she do not have HD D for sure ...

Are you a vet? With FCI aproovement to make the official x-rays evaluation? Rolf, I don't write about result what I THINK she has. But result that she HAS. And the Czech Breeding comittee will confirm that the CZECH result of Upstream is HD-D(3/3).

Wait - here you have it:

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DKK jeho matky (v ČR D-3/3, v Itálii pak B)

It is about her results. The person who told it is the president of the Czech Club. For me a person who we can trust... At last I do...

[Monika]

Originariamente inviata da z Peronówki

Are you a vet? With FCI aproovement to make the official x-rays evaluation? Rolf, I don't write about result what I THINK she has. But result that she HAS. And the Czech Breeding comittee will confirm that the CZECH result of Upstream is HD-D(3/3).

Wait - here you have it:


It is about her results. The person who told it is the president of the Czech Club. For me a person who we can trust... At last I do...

Thanks to Anita, Margo, or administrator without a name I'm still popular, and my dogs too. Thanks: 0)
Whatever Margo trying to denigrate them by her biased and pieces of information ..
It is easy to "denigrate.
"I breed CSWs 20 years and I felt much. Fanaticism of Margo has not exceeded the tolerable limit and it's time to fight back.
Margo is a breeder, nothing more! No Club, no FCI!
She can not determine which dog passed breeding condition - Club´ s or FCI and who entered into the Registry FCI, fortunately.
All Polish breeders, who disaagree with her views are harassed, attacked their dogs, their actvities……

Yes, in Poland there are few litters and between Judges not have Polish CSWs good credit in Europe – the worst. Margo does not judge FCI, but I did.
Generally Polisch CSWs are small, weak constitution, without sexual expression, hairless or curly, looks like .. jackals not as the wolves!

For Margo Cut´s measuring 64, 5 - disaster, Iran and the Jabberwock with his 64 cm are a stud dogs and great! : 0)
This I called politics, not breeding of dogs.

If you impeach the Italian "B" must do so for all such dogs in Italy evaluated!!

I can easily impeach Polish Hd 0 / 0, I don´t have info from hearsay, as she has, but I have own.
We took 2 dogs - Šterc HD 2 / 2 and 3 / 3 - took them to Poland! Both received HD 0 / 0 - A and the vet. said: Wow, how beautiful joints!

Margo should handle her Peronowki to the bus and take them to vet. Šterc to Brno. Perhaps the most amazing statistics Polish HD will lost much of his luster.
Only a single Peronowka had results from Šterc - Aset Voodoo and she is in CZ - C!
Margo, of course, on her website states simply the result of the Polish "A"

I would like to see the bus! And I'll wait,
Until we must take her views as biased, fanatical, persons who wants to damages the names of some breeders and their dogs!

Saying that A - I have to say too B. Veron is what Margo burns - hate, his Italian origins and he mated Polish females! How could breed with him Polish breeders??!!
Simply, Margo has no patent on reason and not all wish to have at home type of Kasdeya or Loray! Margo If so, just do breeding with them, your choise! I do not, unlike it, BUT I respect it and I know that I never will buy „ Peronowki „ and this is all.
You bought from Me two females, although you not ashamed to say about Me I am not a breeder.
I can smile, only at your fanaticism and narrowness and move with grace.

When Margo remembered Veron´s siblings, could remember to Valkyra HD - 0 / 0, Velaskes - 0 / 0, referred the Voice HD 0 / 0 elbows 1 - 0, which I consider a very weak argument for not use Veron for breeding. Brother Vai - Kiba 1 / 2 – he is also a stud dog in CZ. No breeder´ s disaster!
Some fragmentary information indicates about halfsibling we can find in databáze, some are mising ... Utah z Molu Es has HD from CZ and from France, too and she is „ A „ - 0 / 0, WolfSirius Molu Es has Hd in Finland and in Cz and he is also - A, as she mentioned here Will PDL is - A, Wolfish Witch - A, Without Ear is x -rayed, her hips looks really well too, we wait for results .... No breeders disaster, again ... ..
T litter is worst, unfortunately, but normal breeder looks at father, also..
I used Nord for other litter with different bitch and pups not are good, too. Generally Nord not an innovator in any character. This is my experience.
It is easy to „ denigrate „ and to choose the worst of and good or great forget :0(
I know some dogs of breeders discuss here, very ill - fatally, as HD or ED nothing, for example Zlatá Palc, but I never will atac somebody here. If I have some problem I will say him personaly. If I have some doubt about dogs, just I do not use him like a stud dog. But for others, however, may be good or beautiful, and I respect it! The thing is breeding, we have no patent on reason as I told here, alredy and I'd rather wait until something bad language and publicly condemn.

Please Margo, turn atentions to your litters to your animals, because it is easy to dirty and I could start! Families of your bitches I know very well, and everywhere is something! Nobody breeding champions, only !
Mutual respect, respect and humility to the work of others, what Margo missing – lost..
Not all wants to breed dog type "Peronowka" sorry!

Monika Soukupová

(sorry for my English )

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Dear Monika,

I also would like to invite you kindly to tell us everything Ina already asked for.
But let me ask you another question.
And I want you to answer honestly, without your usual lies.
Why was Upstream evaluated in Italy ( I don't want to blame the Italian veterinarian system ) after she was evaluated D (3/3) in your country?
Was something wrong with the pictures or didn't you like the vet?
The way we handle it if something seems wrong with the x-ray pictures, is to make new pictures and get an expert witness.
If it's still the same which is most likely, that's it!
We don't travel to countries like let's say Moldavia ( don't take it personal you Moldavians) to get a new and better hip score...
Which is not allowed by German Kennel Club anyway.

Michael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Monika,

still waiting for your answer my dear.

Michael

[z Peronówki]

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Monika,

still waiting for your answer my dear.

Michael

Just wait - one will come soon from Monika... it will start:
"Margo, Anita, Michael, Ina and admin without name...."

[Nebulosa]

Originariamente inviata da Monika

Margo, Anita and admin without name: greate statistic, but you forget wrote here how many z Peronowki was made in Poland??? :0)
how many in Brazil...Spain :0)) And how many in CZ ??? :0))

As owner of Jezebeth z Peronowki, the dog which was his results made in Brazil, I hope you have no problems with the reliability our results.

[Pavel]

My short notice to this hot thema :

Problem with HD results from different countries is basicaly in not comparable valuation. Most countries have only 5 grades
A, B, C, D, E) and short descriptions (normal, borderline, mild, moderate, severe). Internationally is no described, whats means the descriptions. When is it e.g. "mild" and " when already "moderate" ? And is not only this problem. Some countries have totally different system and grades. So that is practically not possible to compare the results from different countries. More about it on http://www.grsk.org (in german language only).

[Juniorwolf]

Originariamente inviata da z Peronówki

Are you a vet? With FCI aproovement to make the official x-rays evaluation?

Did you read my post at all ???
If you did would have been reading this : I am not an expert, but I have seen the x-rays with my own eyes.

Originariamente inviata da z Peronówki

Rolf, I don't write about result what I THINK she has. But result that she HAS. And the Czech Breeding comittee will confirm that the CZECH result of Upstream is HD-D(3/3).

I find this very funny
what you are saying is that your trust in someone makes it a fact, even that you did not see it your self ? so if someone who you trust is telling you that the earth is flat like a pancake, it is a fact because you trust this person

Originariamente inviata da z Peronówki

Wait - here you have it:
It is about her results.

I do read Czech, but thanks anyway

Originariamente inviata da z Peronówki

The person who told it is the president of the Czech Club. For me a person who we can trust... At last I do...

I have never claimed that Alexa is`nt telling the truth in this case or that Api does`nt have official HD D results from Czech, but I`ll tell you what I really don`t believe and that is, that two vets can make such big difference in the results on the same dog, unless one of them made a mistake !
...and because I have seen the x-rays with my OWN eyes I can confidently say that Api do NOT have HD D.

If you choose to believe one vet. over the other, this is your problem, but I could rightfully ask if YOU have some kind of education or FCI aproovement to decide which vet. is correct and which is wrong ?
Because on the pedigrees(Czech pedigrees) of both of my dogs who are sons of Api, it says that Api have HD B and not HD D

[Navarre]

What friendships ! I feel that Christmas is coming

I agree with Margo : everyone said that in their own country the vets that evaluate HD are better than in other Countries...

I can speak only of Italy : hd evaluation often is accurate but in some cases if you "know" right people, your bad HD may should become far better

But is very simple to silence the gossips if I want to : make available a scan copy of x-rays to everybody, together with protocol.

If someone should speak bad words about my dogs I will do this

[Juniorwolf]

Originariamente inviata da Navarre

But is very simple to silence the gossips if I want to : make available a scan copy of x-rays to everybody, together with protocol.

I don`t know how this works in other countries, but in Denmark it is not possible to get the x-rays or the protocol ...not even a copy !
All the owners get is the final result.

Originariamente inviata da Navarre

If someone should speak bad words about my dogs I will do this

I guess that some people would`nt have anything else to do, if they had to answer/disproove all ridicules accusations

...if someone is stupide enough to believe in rumors who can not be prooved, it is really their problem, nobody elses !!!