Norwegian ban on SW and CzW

XaedasKSP · 20-12-2009, 17:23

If you read my post carefully then you would read that there is a norwegian breeder of Saarlooses that will start breeding them with first litter planned for February 2010 and there will be at least 2 litters in 2010 and there are already 11 reserved pups even before any pup is born. So there will soon be many more Saarlooses in Norway. So I dunno who dont understand....

I shall not buy my SW there since I found a breeder outside Norway who have already got a litter of SW that are already born and I reserved a beautiful pup there that I will import with the allowance from "mattilsynet" when it becomes 8 weeks. In addition everything will be much much cheaper, so I shall not wait on the litter in Norway then.

As for the attacks against dogs, well a "villager" (dunno how bonde is translated to english, my bad) shot someones hunting dog just because the dog ran over his potato field where he sometimes had his sheep. So all dogs can get in danger in Norway if the owner let the dog run without leash in the city or close to any human settlement. Its no special crusade against SWs here.

As for my dogexperience well maybe you are a clearvoyant so you know exactly what experience people have with dogs even when they dont say anything about it. But in the case you are not, then I would like to say that I have in 14 years had experience with a German Sheperd that my family had, so I am not unexperienced. But of course I dont claim to be a "dog master" like many of you probably are or think so. Therefore I shall be very careful with my dog and always keep an eye on him when outside of my possesion and hold it on a leash even in the forest close to my place. Only in uninhabited mountain terrain (far, far away from potatofields and "villagers") I shall let the dog run without the leash or on my private possesion.

Per Olav · 20-12-2009, 17:40

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

If you read my post carefully then you would read that there is a norwegian breeder of Saarlooses that will start breeding them with first litter planned for February 2010 and there will be at least 2 litters in 2010 and there are already 11 reserved pups even before any pup is born. So there will soon be many more Saarlooses in Norway. So I dunno who dont understand....

I'm fully aware of that and also fully aware of what this breeder is facing.

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As for my dogexperience well maybe you are a clearvoyant so you know exactly what experience people have with dogs even when they dont say anything about it. But in the case you are not, then I would like to say that I have in 14 years had experience with a German Sheperd that my family had, so I am not unexperienced. .

Beeing a student aged 23 by now I fully understand your expertice, Myself I've been owner, dog trainer and rescue dog trainer of working breed GSD's and Belgian Sheperds close to 40 years.. But a csv is no German shepherd or a Belgian Shepherd. Neither is a saarloos.
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XaedasKSP · 20-12-2009, 18:11

I do know it perfectly that neither a Saarloos or a CSV is a German Sheperd (although they do actually have som GSD blood :P). And as for the dogexperience well your dogexperience is of course very long and probably you know what to do with your dogs. But still when you got your first CSV it still wasnt a german sheperd or a belgian sheperd that you have worked with before.

So there have to be the first time with a Saarloos or with a CSV, cause if CSV/SW experience were required to own a SW or CSV then there would be no new owners of those dogs, and even you wouldnt get the one you have :P So I think it is possible to own a SW and suceed with it. It will just require much carefullness and time spent with the dog and teaching the dog in the manner that SW breeder advise.

Ofc. someone who has 40 years experience is better suited to own such a dog but I really doubt if such long experience is required to own a SW or CSV

Ah and just a small correction I am a student aged 21...but I dont think age have something to do with ability to handle a SW, I think that the most importand thing is the amount of time that people have to take care of the dog and to teach it the right behaviour in a proper way. Right now I am trying to get all the possible literature upon Saarlooses and how to properly teach a Saarloos the correct behaviour. Since I guess it will be a harder task than teaching a German Sheperd.

Per Olav · 20-12-2009, 18:36

IMHO you are still missing the most important matter. I don't write about what is possible in training but of peoples attitude. As a devoted dog trainer you can achieve almost anything you want but you can't change someones prejustice and attitude against the breeds. That's what caused the ban on the csv and pushing the sw to the edge of it. The more wolfdogs and more inexperienced owners overseeing that fact - the more certain a ban on the breed may be foreseen.
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20-12-2009, 18:36	#4
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	IMHO you are still missing the most important matter. I don't write about what is possible in training but of peoples attitude. As a devoted dog trainer you can achieve almost anything you want but you can't change someones prejustice and attitude against the breeds. That's what caused the ban on the csv and pushing the sw to the edge of it. The more wolfdogs and more inexperienced owners overseeing that fact - the more certain a ban on the breed may be foreseen. -- po Last edited by Per Olav; 20-12-2009 at 18:52.

20-12-2009, 17:23	#1
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	If you read my post carefully then you would read that there is a norwegian breeder of Saarlooses that will start breeding them with first litter planned for February 2010 and there will be at least 2 litters in 2010 and there are already 11 reserved pups even before any pup is born. So there will soon be many more Saarlooses in Norway. So I dunno who dont understand.... I shall not buy my SW there since I found a breeder outside Norway who have already got a litter of SW that are already born and I reserved a beautiful pup there that I will import with the allowance from "mattilsynet" when it becomes 8 weeks. In addition everything will be much much cheaper, so I shall not wait on the litter in Norway then. As for the attacks against dogs, well a "villager" (dunno how bonde is translated to english, my bad) shot someones hunting dog just because the dog ran over his potato field where he sometimes had his sheep. So all dogs can get in danger in Norway if the owner let the dog run without leash in the city or close to any human settlement. Its no special crusade against SWs here. As for my dogexperience well maybe you are a clearvoyant so you know exactly what experience people have with dogs even when they dont say anything about it. But in the case you are not, then I would like to say that I have in 14 years had experience with a German Sheperd that my family had, so I am not unexperienced. But of course I dont claim to be a "dog master" like many of you probably are or think so. Therefore I shall be very careful with my dog and always keep an eye on him when outside of my possesion and hold it on a leash even in the forest close to my place. Only in uninhabited mountain terrain (far, far away from potatofields and "villagers") I shall let the dog run without the leash or on my private possesion.

20-12-2009, 18:11	#3
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	I do know it perfectly that neither a Saarloos or a CSV is a German Sheperd (although they do actually have som GSD blood :P). And as for the dogexperience well your dogexperience is of course very long and probably you know what to do with your dogs. But still when you got your first CSV it still wasnt a german sheperd or a belgian sheperd that you have worked with before. So there have to be the first time with a Saarloos or with a CSV, cause if CSV/SW experience were required to own a SW or CSV then there would be no new owners of those dogs, and even you wouldnt get the one you have :P So I think it is possible to own a SW and suceed with it. It will just require much carefullness and time spent with the dog and teaching the dog in the manner that SW breeder advise. Ofc. someone who has 40 years experience is better suited to own such a dog but I really doubt if such long experience is required to own a SW or CSV Ah and just a small correction I am a student aged 21...but I dont think age have something to do with ability to handle a SW, I think that the most importand thing is the amount of time that people have to take care of the dog and to teach it the right behaviour in a proper way. Right now I am trying to get all the possible literature upon Saarlooses and how to properly teach a Saarloos the correct behaviour. Since I guess it will be a harder task than teaching a German Sheperd.