Lupus Ibericus Kennel (Spain)

carlos2207 · 03/01/2010, 13h32

Sincerelly I am absolutelly surpesed with Nebulola. One Administrador that also use the lie and do false afiramtions. Nebulosa accuse me without evidence or worse against of all evidences that all people that visit me say in this foro.

Probabily your concept of "Serious" is different that the mine. I say you that my concept:

1. Socializacion. All my puppies since 1º day of born take the car and go with my family and friends for smell and sleep in the hand of the person. 4 day per week all time that the puppies are in my kennel. You can see:

http://picasaweb.google.es/dunson00/CamadaZ#

All pupies listen classic music (Mozart) 24 hours per day, I think that one "Serious Breder" as you know all studies about the effec of this music en the developement of the mind and character of the animals and human.

When the pupies borned, the borned one week before and Emba are the 1º time that have puppies. I bring Emba and the puppies all night to my personal bethroom for put the puppies with Emba when the pupies go out.

The food of emba when is pregnat and in the lactance and the puppies also are Hills the best food and more expensive food.
The vacune for the puppies are Nobivac, one the best vacunes.

Results, when the owner of Zeus went to Murcia, we take the car with the puppies and go to the city. This day was a party day in the city and had rocket explosion. The puppies not have fair, not scared and are totally open with the people and the other dog. I remember the surprise of the owner of Zeus for this quallity of my puppies. "Increible, very very good" said.

This is my work and my concept of the Serious Breder. Health, Beauty and Character. How is posssible that one breeder and administrator of the foro that used displasic male in her litter can to do lessons about Seriously?

Silvester · 03/01/2010, 13h40

I can only agree to what Carlos Antonio is telling in his posting No.31 before ! He says the truth.

To all people nice sunday - bye from Germany

Erwan Grey · 03/01/2010, 13h57

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Sincerelly I am absolutelly surpesed with Nebulola. One Administrador that also use the lie and do false afiramtions. Nebulosa accuse me without evidence or worse against of all evidences that all people that visit me say in this foro.

Probabily your concept of "Serious" is different that the mine. I say you that my concept:

1. Socializacion. All my puppies since 1º day of born take the car and go with my family and friends for smell and sleep in the hand of the person. 4 day per week all time that the puppies are in my kennel. You can see:

http://picasaweb.google.es/dunson00/CamadaZ#

All pupies listen classic music (Mozart) 24 hours per day, I think that one "Serious Breder" as you know all studies about the effec of this music en the developement of the mind and character of the animals and human.

When the pupies borned, the borned one week before and Emba are the 1º time that have puppies. I bring Emba and the puppies all night to my personal bethroom for put the puppies with Emba when the pupies go out.

The food of emba when is pregnat and in the lactance and the puppies also are Hills the best food and more expensive food.
The vacune for the puppies are Nobivac, one the best vacunes.

Results, when the owner of Zeus went to Murcia, we take the car with the puppies and go to the city. This day was a party day in the city and had rocket explosion. The puppies not have fair, not scared and are totally open with the people and the other dog. I remember the surprise of the owner of Zeus for this quallity of my puppies. "Increible, very very good" said.

This is my work and my concept of the Serious Breder. Health, Beauty and Character. How is posssible that one breeder and administrator of the foro that used displasic male in her litter can to do lessons about Seriously?

As you have the courage to say those things you have done ...

If you've done that after my asking him to stay a puppy? The only thing I not said is what the classical music, which I disagree with that theory from the scientific viewpoint. the rest of your words all if in conversations whit me (and more people).

you are dedicated to using (and others too) to see how it had to do mating, breeding, maintenance ... ALL, it did not know how.

As you can have "chutzpah" to say these things if you in more than one occasion (and I HAVE SIGNED BY YOU IN EMAILS with your IP, email and computing track which recognizes that:

HOW HAS NO IDEA WHY DOGS ARE NEVER HAD ONE?

Why is obsessed with attacking people who disagree with their ways of doing things without ever prove anything?

Do not think it's best for you, your image and their dogs would accept their mistakes? with that arrogance is not going nowhere, sir, I assure you.

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In life, one of the greatest virtues of human being is HUMILITY, and you, for being a beginner, have too much pride, too much haughtiness and above all something very wrong. He cares more about money and fame that health and welfare of their puppies and dogs.

Stop talking and get moving and to learn from mistakes as we all do, is more humble fare better in life.

All I ask is that you leave us alone and give me the documents I need the dog.

And you insist on attacking and attacking everyone and calling their friends to defend him ... and forces me to keep charging that is not complying with what he said.

IS INCREDIBLE!

P.D. little point that you put the mark NOBIVAC, if you only injected ONE vaccine to their dogs and let the owners take them out of his kennel without vaccines just ...

carlos2207 · 03/01/2010, 14h12

Second, Nebulosa say that I pick the puppies Ill. This is false. The 10-12 november 4 of my puppies have one stomacal virus that produce diarrea. The tests of parvo was negative.All pupies were ill except Zirce the dog of Frank. This is not good situations and all of owner of puppies were informed. We thought that this problem could be a alegic reactions of the Hills food. And We contact with Hills for analice the food. My 3 veterynaries said that the problem is only the virus. One day in the clinic and all puppies were Ok.

Frank had one fly for 22 of november and I said Frank that I prefer that not pick his puppy. For to have more time for to see the puppies. Remember that the puppy of Frank never have diarrea and were put out of his brothers. Frank say me that NO "I am a profesional and Have many experience and the veterinaries is the same in Paris that in Murcia. I let that Zirce went to Paris. When Zirce went to Paris had a Certificate Veterinary of Health.

The 9 of december Frank (the owner of Zirce say me that Zirce have problems of diarrea) and the 15 or 17 that Zirce is dead. Ok Very sad news. I send this mail to Frank after to speak with my Veterinary:

Hello Frank, this morning I went to the veterinary and give me one
certificate for Zirce test parvo that is negative. The veterinary say
me that the period of incubation is from 3 to 12 days and that
normally for the puppy is illness is 7 days. Well, Zirce go to France
the day 22 of november and is imposible that the parvo virus is took
in spain.

Anyware, I SAID FRANK AND DANIELA (OWNER OF AMORE) AND EDIT (CRYING WOLF) THAT I REPEAT THIS LITTER THE NEXT YEAR AND I WILL GIVE A FREE FEMALE FOR FRANK.

HOW YOU DARE NEBULOSA TO SAY THAT I DONT BE A SERIOUS BREEDER???

Erwan Grey · 03/01/2010, 14h15

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The vacune for the puppies are Nobivac, one the best vacunes.

In Spain, the vaccines do not choose the breeder, the vet puts that in his own clinic. Do not wear medals that do not belong gentleman, because you do not know, nor did brand it was.

Rona · 03/01/2010, 15h31

Gentelmen, if not for other reasons, for the sake of Blizzard you should both put aside your pride, calm down, stop fighting and start cooperating rationally. If he needs treatment, you should spend your time, energy and money on him, not on lawyers, or mutual destruction of each other's 'face' on Internet.

I'm sure one day he grows and is beautiful and healthy and you'll be both (the owner and the breeder & co-owner?) very proud of him, which I wish you with all my heart, just as, I'm sure, most forum members do.

It'd be great if the New Year could bring the "reset" of your relationship

, which hopefully will last for many years... -

whether you like it or not, Blizzard is now your "joint project" and you should both see to his welfare.

Carlos, your dogs are great, the pups are lovely and I'm sure with your approach (eg willingness to travel to matchings) and a bit more experience (with papers, contracts, etc.) you'll become an excellent breeder!

Erwan, your photos are gorgeous (really fantastic

) and you seem to be a really devoted owner. Good luck with your lovely pup - he has a chance to be a CSV with the best photo service ever! I hope you'll send a few pictures to WD gallery from time to time...

Jal · 03/01/2010, 17h31

Sorry....

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.......Probabily your concept of "Serious" is different that the mine. I say you that my concept:
1. Socializacion.All my puppies since 1º day of born take the car and go with my family and friends for smell and sleep in the hand of the person. 4 day per week all time that the puppies are in my kennel..

really??

very serious...

wildwolf · 03/01/2010, 20h06

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Sorry....

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Probabily your concept of "Serious" is different that the mine. I say you that my concept:

1. Socializacion. All my puppies since 1º day of born take the car and go with my family and friends for smell and sleep in the hand of the person. 4 day per week all time that the puppies are in my kennel.

really??

very serious...

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All pupies listen classic music (Mozart) 24 hours per day, I think that one "Serious Breder" as you know all studies about the effec of this music en the developement of the mind and character of the animals and human.

...very very serious...

Nebulosa · 04/01/2010, 03h15

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Second, Nebulosa say that I pick the puppies Ill

God, where I said it?

Well, I can see clearly that you don't understand english properly, I tough about this small problem when I asked why don't pass this topic for Spanish forum, it would e really better.

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Anyware, I SAID FRANK AND DANIELA (OWNER OF AMORE) AND EDIT (CRYING WOLF) THAT I REPEAT THIS LITTER THE NEXT YEAR AND I WILL GIVE A FREE FEMALE FOR FRANK.

Well, after I read all here I ended to proof how you know about CzW

Again, do you know what does mean small genetic pool?

But anyway I get a little bit shoked after I read your post, I knew you dont have experience with dogs, but I didn't knew you would arrive at such point...
Could you imagine someone listening Mozard whole day? Its looks more war torture than socialization!
But drive with neonates, its completly crazy, its a nonsense!!
Sorry carlos, but before make your next litter go read a little bit about dog behaviour, genetic, and principally try to get informed about the breed, please, don't torture and risk the life of your pups again!!

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How is posssible that one breeder and administrator of the foro that used displasic male in her litter can to do lessons about Seriously?

Oh, about that.
Do you mean Héro Oskar Dór, a dog wich get C with 100º and 98º degree in norberg angles as worst result, had his hips evaluate for at least 3 vets in 2 different countries?
Well, these 3 vets, well known experts said he is C and he can be used in breeding with A females.
As jezebeth is A with 105º/105º in norberg angles, with both parents A, and with almost all brothers and sisters tested and A, I really can mate Oskar with her without fear of be happy.
Anyway, all owners of my dogs have copies of the results of the parents, I really have nothing to hide.

I'm really glad that was only this excuse you found for try to attack me, but not only you as more people which aren't able to reply my questions, funny isn't it?
But I would like to remember you, that you're not breeding Labrador or Rottweilers, which clubs of some countries were able to avoid the use of C dogs, but of CzW that have a very small genetic pool and that the use of C dogs is pretty common, when used with properly females, can also improve the breed.
As you criticise it so much, I would like to remember you also, that Askia Slnecny dvor have as father a C dog that the mother of Emba comes from both parents with B, I wonder little bit about it because as you wrote here, seems you only accept A dogs at breeding.

But after all this post you didn't replied my question, I will quote it again, but after all the nonsense I read about pups here I dont wait for a good reply anymore.

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I listened that he paid half as its in the contract of co-ownership, so if was that I dont understand where is the problem? Why did you wanted him to pay the other part?
but I would like to add more one, do you find correct try to pick back a ill pup, causing more one abrupt change in his life which can rise his death risk?

Rona · 04/01/2010, 11h19

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Could you imagine someone listening Mozart whole day? Its looks more war torture than socialization!

Paula, I can assure you that hard rock or techno would be much worse...

Do you really belive in all Carlos writes?

People who are (or imagine they are) in a tight corner sometimes talk and write nonsense...

I'm sure he wouldn't torture his pups like this and only now is defending himself by exaggerating his efforts...

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Silvester · 04/01/2010, 16h46

Well, here´s owner of "Zeus L.I." again.

I´m sorry that it´s need to tell : But - dear "Nebulosa " how can you be so impertinent to say something negative about the ancestors / parent- dogs of Carlos´ litter??

You - and everybody here - knows exactly about that father is the overall World Champion of Bratislava last year and mother also is excellent , with "Eligo z Peronowki" as father, which is one of the best wolfdogs also.

And you know that both parents , Amore Mio and Emba have best possible hip- resultat . "A" for both hips each dog.

What about your own dogs - and their resultats for hip- examination ??

"jasmine" was completely right with her posting No.41.

And these are facts - and not only meanings.

"Who is living in a glass- house should not through with stones !"

As a moderator you should act neutral and justice. You obviously did not after your posting No.14 .

Nice week to everyone from Germany

Vaiva · 04/01/2010, 13h26

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Could you imagine someone listening Mozard whole day? Its looks more war torture than socialization!

One of the most sensible points in this discussion!

The more I read the more I do not like the both sides

I understand the owner wanted a dog from Eligo, so he could simply contact Margo and ask about the planned litters of him. I am sure such a popular stud has some ladies waiting

If you do not like the breeder or te conditions - find another one.

The breeder says he wasn't paid, but the signed contract exists, yes? Both - owner and breeder - have a signed copy, correct? So what really happened?

(Ahh, I like detective stories, it is a pitty it is a working day

)

Erwan Grey · 04/01/2010, 13h28

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One of the most sensible points in this discussion!

The more I read the more I do not like the both sides

I understand the owner wanted a dog from Eligo, so he could simply contact Margo and ask about the planned litters of him. I am sure such a popular stud has some ladies waiting

If you do not like the breeder or te conditions - find another one.

The breeder says he wasn't paid, but the signed contract exists, yes? Both - owner and breeder - have a signed copy, correct? So what really happened?

(Ahh, I like detective stories, it is a pitty it is a working day

)

Yes!!! I have the contract signed and paid!!

So what really happened?

Certain!!

Nebulosa · 04/01/2010, 18h34

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Ahhhhh 98 degree and C ???????
Strange.....what were the 3 countries? Because 100/98 must be C/D in everywhere!!!!!!!

D is about 95º including in hungary, but the difference is that in your country a 96º dog still will be C, maybe it explaines why we get such bad results when works with some dogs coming of your breeding or used by you.
His HD where evaluate by 3 vets in different countries, Brazil and Poland, maybe I should send it to Uruguay for Margarita Duran for get the same or even better results and nobody be able to contest it.

I would like to remind you, great expert, that the results are not only gave by norberg angles, but also looking the situation of the cartilage wich reflects clearly in the bones.

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I´m sorry that it´s need to tell : But - dear "Nebulosa " how can you be so impertinent to say something negative about the ancestors / parent- dogs of Carlos´ litter??

Oh yes, I forget, everything coming from your dog is perfect, your dog and Carlos dogs are perfect also, we live in flower world.. why do we continue breeding, if we have Carlos and his litter with perfect dogs?

Where is the lie? what I told here is fakt, Askia comes from C father and both parents of Emba's mother are B, she is A as Askia is A, its called selection, and its made in hips also.

I hope you know also that have both parents A doesn't garantee that you will get A pups, including it was the case of Oskar and of some other dogs.

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"Who is living in a glass- house should not through with stones !"

I really hope Jasmine will listen to it, because its really not my case in the moment, maybe futurely, we never know.

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I'm sure he wouldn't torture his pups like this and only now is defending himself by exaggerating his efforts..

You see, the conclusion I arrive is that the main problem is not the pups with Mozart, but the mother wich listen everything clearly.

I really hope he is exagerating.

Silvester · 04/01/2010, 20h52

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"Oh yes, I forget, everything coming from your dog is perfect, your dog and Carlos dogs are perfect also, we live in flower world.. why do we continue breeding, if we have Carlos and his litter with perfect dogs?

Well, if you have nothing more to say IN FACTS than this cheapest and stupid polemic you really better should keep quiet and tell nothing !

The mating of this both parents of this litter are at the moment on of the best or just the best combination you can find in the whole breed, not only by hip- results but also by very low incest - quotient ...not to talk from other advantages more.

I have looked for more than one year now for such kind of mating...and not only in this homepage.

But I have never said such stupid things like "perfection". This is only polemic of "Nebulosa", the Great.( polemic also as answer !!)

May be the status and the duties of a moderator are a little too much for you ?

Good night to everyone !

wolfin · 04/01/2010, 21h56

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The mating of this both parents of this litter are at the moment on of the best or just the best combination you can find in the whole breed, not only by hip- results but also by very low incest - quotient ...not to talk from other advantages more.

You think...??? In this case You not very know about breeding.
Carlos have moore interesing mate variant like Amore

but....

Nebulosa · 04/01/2010, 21h58

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The mating of this both parents of this litter are at the moment on of the best or just the best combination you can find in the whole breed,

Its a very common ill well know in dog breeding, called "kennel blind", I few sorry for you.
Maybe you should look at the pedigree of your own dog before talk about facts.

carlos2207 · 04/01/2010, 22h06

Pleased, all people that see my kennel and say the true, owner and more people, Not lose your time in this foro. You have said that you have seen. Ok, the people have suficient information. NOT play at play of this people.

Thank you very much at all. I will not writte more in this foro.

PD. If any one have any question pleased contact with my veterinary. He know my kennel, the puppies and now know the hobby of Julito for the lie.
Congratulations for the objetivity of Administrador Nebulosa.

03/01/2010, 15h31	#6
Rona Distinguished Member Date d'inscription: August 2004 Localisation: Kraków Messages: 3 509	Gentelmen, if not for other reasons, for the sake of Blizzard you should both put aside your pride, calm down, stop fighting and start cooperating rationally. If he needs treatment, you should spend your time, energy and money on him, not on lawyers, or mutual destruction of each other's 'face' on Internet. I'm sure one day he grows and is beautiful and healthy and you'll be both (the owner and the breeder & co-owner?) very proud of him, which I wish you with all my heart, just as, I'm sure, most forum members do. It'd be great if the New Year could bring the "reset" of your relationship , which hopefully will last for many years... - whether you like it or not, Blizzard is now your "joint project" and you should both see to his welfare. Carlos, your dogs are great, the pups are lovely and I'm sure with your approach (eg willingness to travel to matchings) and a bit more experience (with papers, contracts, etc.) you'll become an excellent breeder! Erwan, your photos are gorgeous (really fantastic ) and you seem to be a really devoted owner. Good luck with your lovely pup - he has a chance to be a CSV with the best photo service ever! I hope you'll send a few pictures to WD gallery from time to time... __________________

04/01/2010, 16h46	#11
Silvester Junior Member Date d'inscription: September 2004 Localisation: Germany Messages: 369	Big problems with people who are not decently, telling lies and have no behaviour. Well, here´s owner of "Zeus L.I." again. I´m sorry that it´s need to tell : But - dear "Nebulosa " how can you be so impertinent to say something negative about the ancestors / parent- dogs of Carlos´ litter?? You - and everybody here - knows exactly about that father is the overall World Champion of Bratislava last year and mother also is excellent , with "Eligo z Peronowki" as father, which is one of the best wolfdogs also. And you know that both parents , Amore Mio and Emba have best possible hip- resultat . "A" for both hips each dog. What about your own dogs - and their resultats for hip- examination ?? "jasmine" was completely right with her posting No.41. And these are facts - and not only meanings. "Who is living in a glass- house should not through with stones !" As a moderator you should act neutral and justice. You obviously did not after your posting No.14 . Nice week to everyone from Germany

03/01/2010, 13h32	#1
carlos2207 Junior Member Date d'inscription: July 2007 Messages: 48	Sincerelly I am absolutelly surpesed with Nebulola. One Administrador that also use the lie and do false afiramtions. Nebulosa accuse me without evidence or worse against of all evidences that all people that visit me say in this foro. Probabily your concept of "Serious" is different that the mine. I say you that my concept: 1. Socializacion. All my puppies since 1º day of born take the car and go with my family and friends for smell and sleep in the hand of the person. 4 day per week all time that the puppies are in my kennel. You can see: http://picasaweb.google.es/dunson00/CamadaZ# All pupies listen classic music (Mozart) 24 hours per day, I think that one "Serious Breder" as you know all studies about the effec of this music en the developement of the mind and character of the animals and human. When the pupies borned, the borned one week before and Emba are the 1º time that have puppies. I bring Emba and the puppies all night to my personal bethroom for put the puppies with Emba when the pupies go out. The food of emba when is pregnat and in the lactance and the puppies also are Hills the best food and more expensive food. The vacune for the puppies are Nobivac, one the best vacunes. Results, when the owner of Zeus went to Murcia, we take the car with the puppies and go to the city. This day was a party day in the city and had rocket explosion. The puppies not have fair, not scared and are totally open with the people and the other dog. I remember the surprise of the owner of Zeus for this quallity of my puppies. "Increible, very very good" said. This is my work and my concept of the Serious Breder. Health, Beauty and Character. How is posssible that one breeder and administrator of the foro that used displasic male in her litter can to do lessons about Seriously?

03/01/2010, 13h40	#2
Silvester Junior Member Date d'inscription: September 2004 Localisation: Germany Messages: 369	I can only agree to what Carlos Antonio is telling in his posting No.31 before ! He says the truth. To all people nice sunday - bye from Germany

03/01/2010, 14h12	#4
carlos2207 Junior Member Date d'inscription: July 2007 Messages: 48	Second, Nebulosa say that I pick the puppies Ill. This is false. The 10-12 november 4 of my puppies have one stomacal virus that produce diarrea. The tests of parvo was negative.All pupies were ill except Zirce the dog of Frank. This is not good situations and all of owner of puppies were informed. We thought that this problem could be a alegic reactions of the Hills food. And We contact with Hills for analice the food. My 3 veterynaries said that the problem is only the virus. One day in the clinic and all puppies were Ok. Frank had one fly for 22 of november and I said Frank that I prefer that not pick his puppy. For to have more time for to see the puppies. Remember that the puppy of Frank never have diarrea and were put out of his brothers. Frank say me that NO "I am a profesional and Have many experience and the veterinaries is the same in Paris that in Murcia. I let that Zirce went to Paris. When Zirce went to Paris had a Certificate Veterinary of Health. The 9 of december Frank (the owner of Zirce say me that Zirce have problems of diarrea) and the 15 or 17 that Zirce is dead. Ok Very sad news. I send this mail to Frank after to speak with my Veterinary: Hello Frank, this morning I went to the veterinary and give me one certificate for Zirce test parvo that is negative. The veterinary say me that the period of incubation is from 3 to 12 days and that normally for the puppy is illness is 7 days. Well, Zirce go to France the day 22 of november and is imposible that the parvo virus is took in spain. Anyware, I SAID FRANK AND DANIELA (OWNER OF AMORE) AND EDIT (CRYING WOLF) THAT I REPEAT THIS LITTER THE NEXT YEAR AND I WILL GIVE A FREE FEMALE FOR FRANK. HOW YOU DARE NEBULOSA TO SAY THAT I DONT BE A SERIOUS BREEDER???

04/01/2010, 22h06	#18
carlos2207 Junior Member Date d'inscription: July 2007 Messages: 48	Pleased, all people that see my kennel and say the true, owner and more people, Not lose your time in this foro. You have said that you have seen. Ok, the people have suficient information. NOT play at play of this people. Thank you very much at all. I will not writte more in this foro. PD. If any one have any question pleased contact with my veterinary. He know my kennel, the puppies and now know the hobby of Julito for the lie. Congratulations for the objetivity of Administrador Nebulosa.