About wolfhybrids

fenris · 14-11-2010, 20:17

I prefer real life and real experiences to "facebook and youtube" . If virtual reality is your recommendation for learning about this matter it explains everything about your position. And I do have real first hand experience on this matters. That is the reason why I make this statements. The danger lies in the fact that some people might beleive you and buy a highpercentage wolgdog and keep it with their small children and neighbouring cats. Often everything runs smooth with a young wolf, but then surpassing 3 years old things start to change. I would like others on this forum with real experiences (not facebook and youtube) to tell the truth about this matter.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 14-11-2010, 20:23

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Originally Posted by fenris

I prefer real life and real experiences to "facebook and youtube" . If virtual reality is your recommendation for learning about this matter it explains everything about your position. And I do have real first hand experience on this matters. That is the reason why I make this statements. The danger lies in the fact that some people might beleive you and buy a highpercentage wolgdog and keep it with their small children and neighbouring cats. Often everything runs smooth with a young wolf, but then surpassing 3 years old things start to change. I would like others on this forum with real experiences (not facebook and youtube) to tell the truth about this matter.

Well Michael und me agree 100%, Daniel from Lobo park will do so, Tanja Askani caring for the wolves in Wildpark Lüneburger Heide will, Erik Zimen did, need some more, no problem?

Ina

fenris · 14-11-2010, 20:26

Thanks for the support. Btw I didnt know about Nuno and Lobo Park, but here is what is written on Lobo Parks homepage about the wolves in Lobo Park where this Nuna is supposed to come from:

"Almost all wolves that you observe in the Lobo Park were raised with the bottle by the owners. This is necessary, in order to take to the wolf’s instinctive shyness of humans and ensure the possibility for stress-free observation by visitors. Since the wolves are accustomed to humans, they are not disturbed visitors and offer outstanding study possibilities of their social behaviour."

hanninadina · 14-11-2010, 20:41

hahahaha, Fenris, come on, tell me your name and your experience. More gossip you spread. I invited you to watch my website, my blog, I invite you to visit me. That is real life! It seems, you never saw real wolfdogs. Sorry, my animals are real life, lol!

Daniel, who? Eichhorns, everytime you have no arguments, you start escaping from the case, we are talking about. Daniel did already wrote in german forum. He went to the police. And what happened? All were laughing about him and it was confirmed that he is a liar. As always, you have real bad information! You better should live in real life.

I have a world wide net about wolfdogs and to the best researchers. Tanja Askani? Is that the woman who got a male csw from you, Eichhorns, and gave him back because she had problems? That woman is not able to talk or read english, so do you really want to tell me, that she knows about the real life in wolf and wolfdog world? Writing this here, Eichhorns, shows me, that you still know nothing. It would be so easy to read my literature list on my website, that you can learn from. It is the biggest list in the world about wolfdogs!

I feel always sad for you, because you live in the past and are not able to develop.

hanninadina · 14-11-2010, 20:46

Fenris, it is here a unwritten law, that everybody, who writes here, has to tell his name! I just saw in "about me", that there is written nothing. Oh sorry, there is written country NO = I guess it means Norway. And what do we know from Norway? Wolfdogs are strictly forbidden! Even the csw. Only Saarloos Wolfdogs are allowed.

So I understand more, that you know nothing. Why people like you are discussing here about thinks they do know nothing about? You can have an opinion of course, but please don´t tell me that you have any experience.

But I always like to teach people like you. So please tell me where you live in Norway. I was this year a few times over there. And I can suggest you to book a flight with ryan air to Bremen! I will pick you up so that you can get to know real wolfdogs! And than we can talk again. In germany we say: "Give some butter to the fishes." I really would like you to have you here. I mean it honest. The best ambassadors are my animals!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 14-11-2010, 20:55

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

I have a world wide net about wolfdogs and to the best researchers. Tanja Askani? Is that the woman who got a male csw from you, Eichhorns, and gave him back because she had problems? That woman is not able to talk or read english, so do you really want to tell me, that she knows about the real life in wolf and wolfdog world? Writing this here, Eichhorns, shows me, that you still know nothing. It would be so easy to read my literature list on my website, that you can learn from. It is the biggest list in the world about wolfdogs!

I feel always sad for you, because you live in the past and are not able to develop.

Tanja never got a wolfdog from us and so never had to give one back, welcome to reality.
She raised several wolves for which she still takes care and surely doesn´t deserve to be called "that woman" being much more competent than you ever will be.http://www.tanja-askani.de/
I did just send Daniel a link to your statements he can state here on his own if he thinks it worth it, after nobody inclusive the police did laugh about him I doubt he cares enough about you.
Get a grip on yourself this have been more than enough lies now.

hanninadina · 14-11-2010, 21:10

Yeah, come on, let us hear some more gossip. I guess he will like when I upload some picture of his wolves in horrible conditions because of misstreating! These pictures are already with the police.

I feel very sad for you Eichhorns, because you are not able to discuss in an objective way.

GalomyOak · 14-11-2010, 21:53

I worked with wolves for 2 years in college - mostly with pups, but also got to see the experienced handlers with the adults in an educational park. They are not dogs. I have had many experiences with "American" wolfdogs. They are more difficult than CSVs - not always aggressive, but some are, and as stated above, even if not aggressive, most high contents have high prey drive - not unlike many dog breeds, but in combination with the impossibility to train like a dog, it's where danger comes in for unfamiliar people, especially those who don't have good judgement (like small kids). So okay, they are their own entity, I feel neutral to this in some ways. A big problem for me living in the US is that many wolfdogs are bred illegally - frequently in very cramped confinement, so the authorities don't detect them. They are bred only for profit and as hobby/pets, since they have no kind of working purpose. There is no standard to aim for with breeding. I seriously doubt there are any high contents that have earned obedience or working titles. I currently have a Czech bred GSD staying with me...he is hard, dominant, drivey, and with very high prey drive - difficult to handle if you aren't experienced. He is much more similar to my CSV than the grey wolves were. But he is fine as a pet with the right family - he understands people, even with no food to work for. He can live indoors, and understands things such as voice inflection. Here are some experiences of people who spend a lot of time with all kinds of American wolfdogs - but a few of the many rescues here. Notice, they say "full/waiting list". Ordinary shelters/rescues are often obliged by law or policy to euthanize wolfdogs, and it's always the case if they bite someone. It's a sad situation here...

http://www.nevercrywolfrescue.com/media.asp
http://www.texasblessings.com/WOLF_DOG_RESCUE.html
http://www.wharwolves.org/adoptionreality.htm

14-11-2010, 20:46	#5
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Fenris, it is here a unwritten law, that everybody, who writes here, has to tell his name! I just saw in "about me", that there is written nothing. Oh sorry, there is written country NO = I guess it means Norway. And what do we know from Norway? Wolfdogs are strictly forbidden! Even the csw. Only Saarloos Wolfdogs are allowed. So I understand more, that you know nothing. Why people like you are discussing here about thinks they do know nothing about? You can have an opinion of course, but please don´t tell me that you have any experience. But I always like to teach people like you. So please tell me where you live in Norway. I was this year a few times over there. And I can suggest you to book a flight with ryan air to Bremen! I will pick you up so that you can get to know real wolfdogs! And than we can talk again. In germany we say: "Give some butter to the fishes." I really would like you to have you here. I mean it honest. The best ambassadors are my animals! Last edited by hanninadina; 14-11-2010 at 20:48.

14-11-2010, 21:53	#8
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	I worked with wolves for 2 years in college - mostly with pups, but also got to see the experienced handlers with the adults in an educational park. They are not dogs. I have had many experiences with "American" wolfdogs. They are more difficult than CSVs - not always aggressive, but some are, and as stated above, even if not aggressive, most high contents have high prey drive - not unlike many dog breeds, but in combination with the impossibility to train like a dog, it's where danger comes in for unfamiliar people, especially those who don't have good judgement (like small kids). So okay, they are their own entity, I feel neutral to this in some ways. A big problem for me living in the US is that many wolfdogs are bred illegally - frequently in very cramped confinement, so the authorities don't detect them. They are bred only for profit and as hobby/pets, since they have no kind of working purpose. There is no standard to aim for with breeding. I seriously doubt there are any high contents that have earned obedience or working titles. I currently have a Czech bred GSD staying with me...he is hard, dominant, drivey, and with very high prey drive - difficult to handle if you aren't experienced. He is much more similar to my CSV than the grey wolves were. But he is fine as a pet with the right family - he understands people, even with no food to work for. He can live indoors, and understands things such as voice inflection. Here are some experiences of people who spend a lot of time with all kinds of American wolfdogs - but a few of the many rescues here. Notice, they say "full/waiting list". Ordinary shelters/rescues are often obliged by law or policy to euthanize wolfdogs, and it's always the case if they bite someone. It's a sad situation here... http://www.nevercrywolfrescue.com/media.asp http://www.texasblessings.com/WOLF_DOG_RESCUE.html http://www.wharwolves.org/adoptionreality.htm __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

14-11-2010, 20:17	#1
fenris Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 59	I prefer real life and real experiences to "facebook and youtube" . If virtual reality is your recommendation for learning about this matter it explains everything about your position. And I do have real first hand experience on this matters. That is the reason why I make this statements. The danger lies in the fact that some people might beleive you and buy a highpercentage wolgdog and keep it with their small children and neighbouring cats. Often everything runs smooth with a young wolf, but then surpassing 3 years old things start to change. I would like others on this forum with real experiences (not facebook and youtube) to tell the truth about this matter.

14-11-2010, 20:26	#3
fenris Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 59	Thanks for the support. Btw I didnt know about Nuno and Lobo Park, but here is what is written on Lobo Parks homepage about the wolves in Lobo Park where this Nuna is supposed to come from: "Almost all wolves that you observe in the Lobo Park were raised with the bottle by the owners. This is necessary, in order to take to the wolf’s instinctive shyness of humans and ensure the possibility for stress-free observation by visitors. Since the wolves are accustomed to humans, they are not disturbed visitors and offer outstanding study possibilities of their social behaviour."

14-11-2010, 20:41	#4
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	hahahaha, Fenris, come on, tell me your name and your experience. More gossip you spread. I invited you to watch my website, my blog, I invite you to visit me. That is real life! It seems, you never saw real wolfdogs. Sorry, my animals are real life, lol! Daniel, who? Eichhorns, everytime you have no arguments, you start escaping from the case, we are talking about. Daniel did already wrote in german forum. He went to the police. And what happened? All were laughing about him and it was confirmed that he is a liar. As always, you have real bad information! You better should live in real life. I have a world wide net about wolfdogs and to the best researchers. Tanja Askani? Is that the woman who got a male csw from you, Eichhorns, and gave him back because she had problems? That woman is not able to talk or read english, so do you really want to tell me, that she knows about the real life in wolf and wolfdog world? Writing this here, Eichhorns, shows me, that you still know nothing. It would be so easy to read my literature list on my website, that you can learn from. It is the biggest list in the world about wolfdogs! I feel always sad for you, because you live in the past and are not able to develop.

14-11-2010, 21:10	#7
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Yeah, come on, let us hear some more gossip. I guess he will like when I upload some picture of his wolves in horrible conditions because of misstreating! These pictures are already with the police. I feel very sad for you Eichhorns, because you are not able to discuss in an objective way.