About wolfhybrids

hanninadina · 14-11-2010, 20:41

hahahaha, Fenris, come on, tell me your name and your experience. More gossip you spread. I invited you to watch my website, my blog, I invite you to visit me. That is real life! It seems, you never saw real wolfdogs. Sorry, my animals are real life, lol!

Daniel, who? Eichhorns, everytime you have no arguments, you start escaping from the case, we are talking about. Daniel did already wrote in german forum. He went to the police. And what happened? All were laughing about him and it was confirmed that he is a liar. As always, you have real bad information! You better should live in real life.

I have a world wide net about wolfdogs and to the best researchers. Tanja Askani? Is that the woman who got a male csw from you, Eichhorns, and gave him back because she had problems? That woman is not able to talk or read english, so do you really want to tell me, that she knows about the real life in wolf and wolfdog world? Writing this here, Eichhorns, shows me, that you still know nothing. It would be so easy to read my literature list on my website, that you can learn from. It is the biggest list in the world about wolfdogs!

I feel always sad for you, because you live in the past and are not able to develop.

hanninadina · 14-11-2010, 20:46

Fenris, it is here a unwritten law, that everybody, who writes here, has to tell his name! I just saw in "about me", that there is written nothing. Oh sorry, there is written country NO = I guess it means Norway. And what do we know from Norway? Wolfdogs are strictly forbidden! Even the csw. Only Saarloos Wolfdogs are allowed.

So I understand more, that you know nothing. Why people like you are discussing here about thinks they do know nothing about? You can have an opinion of course, but please don´t tell me that you have any experience.

But I always like to teach people like you. So please tell me where you live in Norway. I was this year a few times over there. And I can suggest you to book a flight with ryan air to Bremen! I will pick you up so that you can get to know real wolfdogs! And than we can talk again. In germany we say: "Give some butter to the fishes." I really would like you to have you here. I mean it honest. The best ambassadors are my animals!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 14-11-2010, 20:55

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

I have a world wide net about wolfdogs and to the best researchers. Tanja Askani? Is that the woman who got a male csw from you, Eichhorns, and gave him back because she had problems? That woman is not able to talk or read english, so do you really want to tell me, that she knows about the real life in wolf and wolfdog world? Writing this here, Eichhorns, shows me, that you still know nothing. It would be so easy to read my literature list on my website, that you can learn from. It is the biggest list in the world about wolfdogs!

I feel always sad for you, because you live in the past and are not able to develop.

Tanja never got a wolfdog from us and so never had to give one back, welcome to reality.
She raised several wolves for which she still takes care and surely doesn´t deserve to be called "that woman" being much more competent than you ever will be.http://www.tanja-askani.de/
I did just send Daniel a link to your statements he can state here on his own if he thinks it worth it, after nobody inclusive the police did laugh about him I doubt he cares enough about you.
Get a grip on yourself this have been more than enough lies now.

hanninadina · 14-11-2010, 21:10

Yeah, come on, let us hear some more gossip. I guess he will like when I upload some picture of his wolves in horrible conditions because of misstreating! These pictures are already with the police.

I feel very sad for you Eichhorns, because you are not able to discuss in an objective way.

GalomyOak · 14-11-2010, 21:53

I worked with wolves for 2 years in college - mostly with pups, but also got to see the experienced handlers with the adults in an educational park. They are not dogs. I have had many experiences with "American" wolfdogs. They are more difficult than CSVs - not always aggressive, but some are, and as stated above, even if not aggressive, most high contents have high prey drive - not unlike many dog breeds, but in combination with the impossibility to train like a dog, it's where danger comes in for unfamiliar people, especially those who don't have good judgement (like small kids). So okay, they are their own entity, I feel neutral to this in some ways. A big problem for me living in the US is that many wolfdogs are bred illegally - frequently in very cramped confinement, so the authorities don't detect them. They are bred only for profit and as hobby/pets, since they have no kind of working purpose. There is no standard to aim for with breeding. I seriously doubt there are any high contents that have earned obedience or working titles. I currently have a Czech bred GSD staying with me...he is hard, dominant, drivey, and with very high prey drive - difficult to handle if you aren't experienced. He is much more similar to my CSV than the grey wolves were. But he is fine as a pet with the right family - he understands people, even with no food to work for. He can live indoors, and understands things such as voice inflection. Here are some experiences of people who spend a lot of time with all kinds of American wolfdogs - but a few of the many rescues here. Notice, they say "full/waiting list". Ordinary shelters/rescues are often obliged by law or policy to euthanize wolfdogs, and it's always the case if they bite someone. It's a sad situation here...

http://www.nevercrywolfrescue.com/media.asp
http://www.texasblessings.com/WOLF_DOG_RESCUE.html
http://www.wharwolves.org/adoptionreality.htm

hanninadina · 14-11-2010, 22:17

In the US you have 78 Millio dogs. 4,5 Mill are in rescue/shelters. You have around 700.000 wolfdogs. But only around 20.000 are in rescue. If here is a mathematic, please give us the percentage. But over the thumb 6 % from dogs are in rescue, but only around 2,7 % wolfdogs are in shelter: the half number.

As I wrote, wolfdogs are not for everyone and of course they are no working breed. But you are wrong when you do think that it is not possible. Do you read wolfdogs magazine? Then you maybe know Ann Dresselhaus. She got 14 titles in akc companion exam and even Schutzhund with wolfdogs. Ann is a friend of mine. She bred Noomis relatives.

But please read here in google translated version from what I wrote about wolfdogs http://translate.google.com/translat...de&sl=de&tl=en

Have a look at the pictures. For example Maya, 8 years, F 1 90%.

And please look at the side from wolf and wolfdog rescue near LA in California http://www.wolfconnection.org/ from my friends Teo and Renee. Watch what they do with their animals.

And of course, it is not enough to have wolves to tell, that someone has knowledge, like Eichhorns wants to make believe. We have in germany 120 zoos and wildparks with wolves. And from these all around 100 have problems with their animals because they do have the wrong packs and the animals fight to each other - til death! Lack of knowledge. And even Tanja Askani lost a grey wolf after fighting. So if someone has a Ferrari in the garage, that does not mean that he is racing driver.

You have to have practical knowledge and of course theoretical.

By the way the same is valid in lobopark. I was there 3 times in 3 years. And everytime I was there, they do only have young wolves... And everybody knows that wolves in captivity get very old. I know 19, 17 years old wolves. So better not to ask to deep in the matter of these wolfpark. It is as always, Eichorns are sitting in a glace house and throwing with stones.

GalomyOak · 14-11-2010, 22:52

I think maybe there are no statistics on the number of wolfdogs that are not given to rescues...as I said before, normal dog/cat shelters accept wolfdogs, but they do not adopt them to new homes. They are euthanized. It's the case over and over in my local shelter. Most owners don't relinquish their pets as wolfdogs, they call them "husky mixes" or "malamute mixes", since they know with 100% certainty what will happen if they tell the truth. But most of the time, the shelters make their own determination. I'm curious how they come to the statistics anyways?

In my time with wolves, none died or anything bad, nor in the past 9 years since I left. The trainers were licensed, and everything was very well maintained in accordance with federal regulations. They educate thousands of people daily about wolves in public demonstrations. They also participate in national initiatives for wolf preservation. The wolves lived better than many people.

http://www.buschgardens.com/Bgw/Expl...ls.aspx?id=426

It's cool about your friend, and I don't necessarily have a fight with American wolfdog owners. But, I try to see the whole reality, and we see a lot of it here - of course to everything there are exceptions - one only has to look at the polar bear video in the other thread to see that.

I am curious how your friend was able to get AKC titles, since it's forbidden to exhibit wolf mixes in any AKC event or test?
Here is the form for dogs which are not registered breeds (mixed breeds) to register for events:
https://www.akc.org/mixedbreeds/listing/index.cfm

P.S - what happens to dogs here is horrible to with regards to the statistics. Many (most?) Americans have no business to own dogs, let alone a wolfdog (including CSV!). Our culture is pathetic about the care of animals compared to many European cultures. Animals are a commodity here. Unfortunately, our kennel clubs make money from this, so they keep very loose regulations - for care, health, or temperament - the regulations are rarely involved, except for in very, very bad cases...

hanninadina · 15-11-2010, 11:37

There is no statistic how many wolfdogs are in shelters. But there are not so many shelters and they are in contact with each other and I am in contact with some of them. Very easy, if you use internet and are able to talk to people, you get the information. The total number of wolfdogs is written in Dave Mech´s book from 2003, and I got the number from the scientist Prof. Dr. Ray Pierotti and from the biggest breeders. So I made a middle number. And as I wrote in facebook are in the meantime hundreds wof people having wolfdogs and rescue shelters and breeders. And I am in contact with all. It is a far bigger community like the csw. Of course having only about 5.000 csw world wide it is nothing to compare to 700.000 american wolfdogs.

And I am of course in very good contact to the scandinavian wolfdog owners. Most live in Finland.

Ann created her own breed the "Alaskan Noble Companion Dogs". It is very simple. She is trainer too and takes from other people the exam. She is very experienced. But that you can read on my website I put the link here in.

Buschgardens, I know, that are animals from Lorraine. The wolf/wolfdog world is very small. And because of my animals and I am one of a handfull people who imported an animal from the north america, write for the wolfdogs magazine, have a good website, have the contact to the most important wolf researchers like Dave, Bob, Ray and Greg it makes an all in all for me and people do know me. And it does not often happen that Monty Sloan visit private persons. But he did with me, we are friends.

And I am friend too with Mark Rowlands "The Philosopher and the Wolf". So I have experience not only with my own animals, but I get all important information first hand! And so I am wondering that a person like Fenris, who even does not have a csw means to know about the wolfdog world.

14-11-2010, 20:46	#2
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Fenris, it is here a unwritten law, that everybody, who writes here, has to tell his name! I just saw in "about me", that there is written nothing. Oh sorry, there is written country NO = I guess it means Norway. And what do we know from Norway? Wolfdogs are strictly forbidden! Even the csw. Only Saarloos Wolfdogs are allowed. So I understand more, that you know nothing. Why people like you are discussing here about thinks they do know nothing about? You can have an opinion of course, but please don´t tell me that you have any experience. But I always like to teach people like you. So please tell me where you live in Norway. I was this year a few times over there. And I can suggest you to book a flight with ryan air to Bremen! I will pick you up so that you can get to know real wolfdogs! And than we can talk again. In germany we say: "Give some butter to the fishes." I really would like you to have you here. I mean it honest. The best ambassadors are my animals! Last edited by hanninadina; 14-11-2010 at 20:48.

14-11-2010, 21:53	#5
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	I worked with wolves for 2 years in college - mostly with pups, but also got to see the experienced handlers with the adults in an educational park. They are not dogs. I have had many experiences with "American" wolfdogs. They are more difficult than CSVs - not always aggressive, but some are, and as stated above, even if not aggressive, most high contents have high prey drive - not unlike many dog breeds, but in combination with the impossibility to train like a dog, it's where danger comes in for unfamiliar people, especially those who don't have good judgement (like small kids). So okay, they are their own entity, I feel neutral to this in some ways. A big problem for me living in the US is that many wolfdogs are bred illegally - frequently in very cramped confinement, so the authorities don't detect them. They are bred only for profit and as hobby/pets, since they have no kind of working purpose. There is no standard to aim for with breeding. I seriously doubt there are any high contents that have earned obedience or working titles. I currently have a Czech bred GSD staying with me...he is hard, dominant, drivey, and with very high prey drive - difficult to handle if you aren't experienced. He is much more similar to my CSV than the grey wolves were. But he is fine as a pet with the right family - he understands people, even with no food to work for. He can live indoors, and understands things such as voice inflection. Here are some experiences of people who spend a lot of time with all kinds of American wolfdogs - but a few of the many rescues here. Notice, they say "full/waiting list". Ordinary shelters/rescues are often obliged by law or policy to euthanize wolfdogs, and it's always the case if they bite someone. It's a sad situation here... http://www.nevercrywolfrescue.com/media.asp http://www.texasblessings.com/WOLF_DOG_RESCUE.html http://www.wharwolves.org/adoptionreality.htm __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

14-11-2010, 22:17	#6
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	In the US you have 78 Millio dogs. 4,5 Mill are in rescue/shelters. You have around 700.000 wolfdogs. But only around 20.000 are in rescue. If here is a mathematic, please give us the percentage. But over the thumb 6 % from dogs are in rescue, but only around 2,7 % wolfdogs are in shelter: the half number. As I wrote, wolfdogs are not for everyone and of course they are no working breed. But you are wrong when you do think that it is not possible. Do you read wolfdogs magazine? Then you maybe know Ann Dresselhaus. She got 14 titles in akc companion exam and even Schutzhund with wolfdogs. Ann is a friend of mine. She bred Noomis relatives. But please read here in google translated version from what I wrote about wolfdogs http://translate.google.com/translat...de&sl=de&tl=en Have a look at the pictures. For example Maya, 8 years, F 1 90%. And please look at the side from wolf and wolfdog rescue near LA in California http://www.wolfconnection.org/ from my friends Teo and Renee. Watch what they do with their animals. And of course, it is not enough to have wolves to tell, that someone has knowledge, like Eichhorns wants to make believe. We have in germany 120 zoos and wildparks with wolves. And from these all around 100 have problems with their animals because they do have the wrong packs and the animals fight to each other - til death! Lack of knowledge. And even Tanja Askani lost a grey wolf after fighting. So if someone has a Ferrari in the garage, that does not mean that he is racing driver. You have to have practical knowledge and of course theoretical. By the way the same is valid in lobopark. I was there 3 times in 3 years. And everytime I was there, they do only have young wolves... And everybody knows that wolves in captivity get very old. I know 19, 17 years old wolves. So better not to ask to deep in the matter of these wolfpark. It is as always, Eichorns are sitting in a glace house and throwing with stones. Last edited by hanninadina; 14-11-2010 at 22:20.

14-11-2010, 22:52	#7
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	I think maybe there are no statistics on the number of wolfdogs that are not given to rescues...as I said before, normal dog/cat shelters accept wolfdogs, but they do not adopt them to new homes. They are euthanized. It's the case over and over in my local shelter. Most owners don't relinquish their pets as wolfdogs, they call them "husky mixes" or "malamute mixes", since they know with 100% certainty what will happen if they tell the truth. But most of the time, the shelters make their own determination. I'm curious how they come to the statistics anyways? In my time with wolves, none died or anything bad, nor in the past 9 years since I left. The trainers were licensed, and everything was very well maintained in accordance with federal regulations. They educate thousands of people daily about wolves in public demonstrations. They also participate in national initiatives for wolf preservation. The wolves lived better than many people. http://www.buschgardens.com/Bgw/Expl...ls.aspx?id=426 It's cool about your friend, and I don't necessarily have a fight with American wolfdog owners. But, I try to see the whole reality, and we see a lot of it here - of course to everything there are exceptions - one only has to look at the polar bear video in the other thread to see that. I am curious how your friend was able to get AKC titles, since it's forbidden to exhibit wolf mixes in any AKC event or test? Here is the form for dogs which are not registered breeds (mixed breeds) to register for events: https://www.akc.org/mixedbreeds/listing/index.cfm P.S - what happens to dogs here is horrible to with regards to the statistics. Many (most?) Americans have no business to own dogs, let alone a wolfdog (including CSV!). Our culture is pathetic about the care of animals compared to many European cultures. Animals are a commodity here. Unfortunately, our kennel clubs make money from this, so they keep very loose regulations - for care, health, or temperament - the regulations are rarely involved, except for in very, very bad cases... __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com Last edited by GalomyOak; 14-11-2010 at 22:58.

14-11-2010, 20:41	#1
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	hahahaha, Fenris, come on, tell me your name and your experience. More gossip you spread. I invited you to watch my website, my blog, I invite you to visit me. That is real life! It seems, you never saw real wolfdogs. Sorry, my animals are real life, lol! Daniel, who? Eichhorns, everytime you have no arguments, you start escaping from the case, we are talking about. Daniel did already wrote in german forum. He went to the police. And what happened? All were laughing about him and it was confirmed that he is a liar. As always, you have real bad information! You better should live in real life. I have a world wide net about wolfdogs and to the best researchers. Tanja Askani? Is that the woman who got a male csw from you, Eichhorns, and gave him back because she had problems? That woman is not able to talk or read english, so do you really want to tell me, that she knows about the real life in wolf and wolfdog world? Writing this here, Eichhorns, shows me, that you still know nothing. It would be so easy to read my literature list on my website, that you can learn from. It is the biggest list in the world about wolfdogs! I feel always sad for you, because you live in the past and are not able to develop.

14-11-2010, 21:10	#4
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Yeah, come on, let us hear some more gossip. I guess he will like when I upload some picture of his wolves in horrible conditions because of misstreating! These pictures are already with the police. I feel very sad for you Eichhorns, because you are not able to discuss in an objective way.

15-11-2010, 11:37	#8
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	There is no statistic how many wolfdogs are in shelters. But there are not so many shelters and they are in contact with each other and I am in contact with some of them. Very easy, if you use internet and are able to talk to people, you get the information. The total number of wolfdogs is written in Dave Mech´s book from 2003, and I got the number from the scientist Prof. Dr. Ray Pierotti and from the biggest breeders. So I made a middle number. And as I wrote in facebook are in the meantime hundreds wof people having wolfdogs and rescue shelters and breeders. And I am in contact with all. It is a far bigger community like the csw. Of course having only about 5.000 csw world wide it is nothing to compare to 700.000 american wolfdogs. And I am of course in very good contact to the scandinavian wolfdog owners. Most live in Finland. Ann created her own breed the "Alaskan Noble Companion Dogs". It is very simple. She is trainer too and takes from other people the exam. She is very experienced. But that you can read on my website I put the link here in. Buschgardens, I know, that are animals from Lorraine. The wolf/wolfdog world is very small. And because of my animals and I am one of a handfull people who imported an animal from the north america, write for the wolfdogs magazine, have a good website, have the contact to the most important wolf researchers like Dave, Bob, Ray and Greg it makes an all in all for me and people do know me. And it does not often happen that Monty Sloan visit private persons. But he did with me, we are friends. And I am friend too with Mark Rowlands "The Philosopher and the Wolf". So I have experience not only with my own animals, but I get all important information first hand! And so I am wondering that a person like Fenris, who even does not have a csw means to know about the wolfdog world.