Breeding rules and methods

Hanka · 24-11-2010, 09:31

I wrote abot HD resuts and about bonitation, I did not write about some shows.
If you look at all countries, nobody does czech bonitation, because it is most difficult and not much dogs can pass it. In all countries you can see "bonitations" or maximally slovak bonitatations, because it is more easy.
But I will not be OT here. If you want, we can continue over emails.
I only reacted on Massimo question.

jasmine · 24-11-2010, 09:44

Why do you think that no breeding rules in Hungary ???
All of my dogs have hungarian breeding licence, Hd results.

And Pavel : till czeh and slovakian breeders use my dogs for breeding I think I have no reason to be ashamed!

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Massimo : let's enjoy the comedy!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 24-11-2010, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Hanka

I wrote abot HD resuts and about bonitation, I did not write about some shows.
If you look at all countries, nobody does czech bonitation, because it is most difficult and not much dogs can pass it. In all countries you can see "bonitations" or maximally slovak bonitatations, because it is more easy.
But I will not be OT here. If you want, we can continue over emails.
I only reacted on Massimo question.

Well, apart from my totally different opinion concerning Czech and Slovakian bonitations that we surely shall not discuss here, are the Slovakian HD-results from messurement, as well as the German ones (we even messure more points then you as far as I know).
And I am more concerned about the more actual health problems that have been discussed here in other discussions and that are not taken care of till now.
The Slovakian Club did help actively with the research poject, it was discussed on the Club meeting, a lot of members did give blood samples, several members of the Club head did actively help, one breeder with very old dogs does now take the work and brings them to the vet to send samples. Italians gave blood samples, Germans did, Swedish people will help, Dutch people do, Margo promised to take care, Edit asked me to take blood form all of her dogs the next time I will be in this region
The Czech Club member that was there got the papers but till now we got no reaction. That might be my fault cause I didn´t find time to send another mail and there was a language problem with English, but now this is a good oportunity, if the Czech Club is interested you can contact Sona or me or Mijke or Saschia etc. to send you the papers and explanations.

Ina

Hanka · 24-11-2010, 10:44

Hi Ina, and what you sent there and you have not answer? Write me it, I ask what hapenned when you have not answer or I can help you too.
Yes, I read your topic from yesterdsay, you wait some translation from Sonja. And you sent something similar to czech club too? To what person? Let me know and I will "put" it here.
You can in email.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 24-11-2010, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi Ina, and what you sent there and you have not answer? Write me it, I ask what hapenned when you have not answer or I can help you too.
Yes, I read your topic from yesterdsay, you wait some translation from Sonja. And you sent something similar to czech club too? To what person? Let me know and I will "put" it here.
You can in email.

Hanka,

the club head that was in Hanarovo got the same papers and an explanation from me there everybody else got, I was very happy I had the oportunity to meet somebody of the Czech Club since Sona couldn´t manage to reach anybody.
He was also there when the matter was discussed at the Club meeting. He told me he has problems with English so he will read it at home and he asked me to send an email to him and talk to you as you take care of this. The last things I wasn´t able to do as I have a life apart from CSW and have to earn some money sometimes, so this part was clearly my fault.

But nevertheless, Bern was talked about here in this forum, the papers are in the Czech Republic, the health problem is known since some time and how many Czech Results of blood tests are there, I wrote here that Bern will store blood for free, how many Czech blood samples are there? I can tell you how many Slovakian ones are there. The Slovakians immediadly took action when asked for, they had a lot of questions and we talked about it three nights till early morning but they wanted to help the breed, not everybody joined in but this is normal.

I completly agree with Rona, this kind of talk about other countries, especially about Slovakia is highly contraproductiv apart from being wrong too. To create some pseudo Rep-free lines with mother-genes totally ignored is no longer enough, to concentrate on IPO-training is the method that ruined already the GSD, to point the finger on everybody living outside your country is not very helpfull and and and.
Sorry, but you got me on an impatient day, so I wrote what I think about it not what might be political sensible as I normally try to do (though not very successful).

Ina

michaelundinaeichhorn · 24-11-2010, 11:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

In all countries you can see "bonitations" or maximally slovak bonitatations, because it is more easy.

Hi Hanka,

why is it easier?
This dog ( and many more...) www.wolfdog.org/deu/dbase/d9548.html got a P1 in a Czech bonitation.
This wouldn't most likely have happened in Slovakia, because of his index of height.
So isn't it not just the other way round?

Regards,
Michael

jasmine · 24-11-2010, 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi Hanka,

why is it easier?
This dog ( and many more...) www.wolfdog.org/deu/dbase/d9548.html got a P1 in a Czech bonitation.
This wouldn't most likely have happened in Slovakia, because of his index of height.
So isn't it not just the other way round?

Regards,
Michael

ohh Michael ,

The very strict czeh bonitacio, extra strict Hd examination, super working dogs, super od Uhoste, super Hanka
Typical mystification of Hanka. And for her doesn't matter that many of us could write many many counter-example.
And of course she took part in this conversation, please don't forget she also has 4 litters for sale

I don't think that Sonja or Oscar would give the good bonitacion marks just for fun!

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jefta · 24-11-2010, 12:03

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi Hanka,

why is it easier?
This dog ( and many more...) www.wolfdog.org/deu/dbase/d9548.html got a P1 in a Czech bonitation.
This wouldn't most likely have happened in Slovakia, because of his index of height.
So isn't it not just the other way round?

Regards,
Michael

http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/de/gallery/pic/98248/
is it short legged and so long dog

but I hope that charakter test is judged more severely than in SK

jasmine · 24-11-2010, 12:46

Hey Admin ,

The last parts realy don't belong to me...so I'm just wondering, if you could turn part the temperamebt topic into two parts....why doesn't you put these parts to the right place?

Thanks,

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Hanka · 24-11-2010, 12:58

Hi Ina,
do you write about leader of Czech club? Karel Skoupy? Did he promised you something and result was zero? You write about man.....
Because sometimes I don´t understand all in english language, what you write.

Other stupid articles I will not comment...................I am adult already.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 24-11-2010, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi Ina,
do you write about leader of Czech club? Karel Skoupy? Did he promised you something and result was zero? You write about man.....
Because sometimes I don´t understand all in english language, what you write.

Other stupid articles I will not comment...................I am adult already.

It doesn´t matter who it was and he doesn´t promise anything. My point was that from THAT country doing everything better than anybody else I would expect some more reaction to severe problems, not less reaction.
Ali Reolup died after the possibility of gene tests occured and after a DNA-database was started, he is in the pedigree of very many dogs, all his littermates are dead. Did you think of keeping a blood sample of him or is his DNA lost forever? How many dogs in Czech Republik are tested?

If you tell us your country is doing everthing better than anybody else you will be confronted with questions like that...

Ina

Hanka · 24-11-2010, 15:54

No Ina, read it once again.
i wrote, I use sometimes foreign dogs for me too. But it is a pitty, they have not czech for example Hd results (of course). because i will see HJd result from our doctor and I can compare it. because in other countries can be different system. I know all doctors must conside Hd the same, but it is uthopy. Always will be differencies. and if all dogs will have the same bonitation (I mean test of character, because measuring is + - the same) I can image WHAT dog is. But a few different test of characters....I can see code about character, but I know nothing about dog, because absolutelly differernt test of charatcer.
It is not secret, my Ali was carier of dwarfism. He has it from parents- of course. I never keep it like secret. Ali was carrier like teoreticly over 3600 wolfdogs in the world - offsprings of Amur z Ďáblova kaňonu. Everybody who want or wont to know it, can ask me or all breeding commission in CZ. Nobody will keep it in scret. So why you ask me about his test???
I organised colection of blood here last year, but here was not much people which had money for it. So now we try it once again. Now is here more people which want test dogs. So my plane is to do it in spring, because will be more new owners. So where is problem? maybe next time first you can ask me what is new about tests and I answer you.
and I must tell you: only me organised it in past, nobody other. So, please, don´t write me in this tone.......
But if in all World will be minimally the same breeding rules like here, I will be happy. we will have HD, ED checked dogs, shy dogs can´t pass bonitation, somebody will watch groups of bloods, somebody will lead breeding in country.......but it is always the same...............
I don´t see other countries where all breeding dogs must have some these tests. Everybody do it only voluntarilly.
I wont help you with your problem from Havranovo, because I don´t know what happened in comunication with our club....But no, on this level no.

jasmine · 24-11-2010, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

Other stupid articles I will not comment...................I am adult already.

Adults try to be realistic and don't drop bulshits.
But through the pink glasess (that's good Daiva !!!

) the world is realy nice....BUT NOT TRUE !!!!!!!!!!!

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24-11-2010, 09:31	#1
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	I wrote abot HD resuts and about bonitation, I did not write about some shows. If you look at all countries, nobody does czech bonitation, because it is most difficult and not much dogs can pass it. In all countries you can see "bonitations" or maximally slovak bonitatations, because it is more easy. But I will not be OT here. If you want, we can continue over emails. I only reacted on Massimo question.

24-11-2010, 09:44	#2
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	Why do you think that no breeding rules in Hungary ??? All of my dogs have hungarian breeding licence, Hd results. And Pavel : till czeh and slovakian breeders use my dogs for breeding I think I have no reason to be ashamed! Edit Massimo : let's enjoy the comedy!

24-11-2010, 10:44	#4
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hi Ina, and what you sent there and you have not answer? Write me it, I ask what hapenned when you have not answer or I can help you too. Yes, I read your topic from yesterdsay, you wait some translation from Sonja. And you sent something similar to czech club too? To what person? Let me know and I will "put" it here. You can in email.

24-11-2010, 12:46	#9
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	Hey Admin , The last parts realy don't belong to me...so I'm just wondering, if you could turn part the temperamebt topic into two parts....why doesn't you put these parts to the right place? Thanks, Edit

24-11-2010, 12:58	#10
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hi Ina, do you write about leader of Czech club? Karel Skoupy? Did he promised you something and result was zero? You write about man..... Because sometimes I don´t understand all in english language, what you write. Other stupid articles I will not comment...................I am adult already.

24-11-2010, 15:54	#12
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	No Ina, read it once again. i wrote, I use sometimes foreign dogs for me too. But it is a pitty, they have not czech for example Hd results (of course). because i will see HJd result from our doctor and I can compare it. because in other countries can be different system. I know all doctors must conside Hd the same, but it is uthopy. Always will be differencies. and if all dogs will have the same bonitation (I mean test of character, because measuring is + - the same) I can image WHAT dog is. But a few different test of characters....I can see code about character, but I know nothing about dog, because absolutelly differernt test of charatcer. It is not secret, my Ali was carier of dwarfism. He has it from parents- of course. I never keep it like secret. Ali was carrier like teoreticly over 3600 wolfdogs in the world - offsprings of Amur z Ďáblova kaňonu. Everybody who want or wont to know it, can ask me or all breeding commission in CZ. Nobody will keep it in scret. So why you ask me about his test??? I organised colection of blood here last year, but here was not much people which had money for it. So now we try it once again. Now is here more people which want test dogs. So my plane is to do it in spring, because will be more new owners. So where is problem? maybe next time first you can ask me what is new about tests and I answer you. and I must tell you: only me organised it in past, nobody other. So, please, don´t write me in this tone....... But if in all World will be minimally the same breeding rules like here, I will be happy. we will have HD, ED checked dogs, shy dogs can´t pass bonitation, somebody will watch groups of bloods, somebody will lead breeding in country.......but it is always the same............... I don´t see other countries where all breeding dogs must have some these tests. Everybody do it only voluntarilly. I wont help you with your problem from Havranovo, because I don´t know what happened in comunication with our club....But no, on this level no.