CSV červené barvy (Saarloos crosses by Crying wolf)

[elf]

červené barvy, které vidíte na plemeni Saarloos. Zde je obrázek z jednoho psa z tohoto vrhu:

[admin]

There is a suspicion that the dog Galiba Crying Wolf can be a Saarloos mix.

You can see one example on the photo. But there are also problems with this line in other kennels in France (for example the "famous" "mixes" by "de la Louve Blanche" so much criticized by other breeders). There are many puppies born from this line which have many characteristics of Saarloos Wolfhounds (red or almost solid black colour, bi-coloured masks, different development as puppies (HUGE "hanging" ears, fluffy heads).

After the red puppies were born the French breeder asked Edith Molnar to make the DNA test - she was even prepared to come to Hungary and to pay all the costs but without any serious reason the Crying Wolf breeder didn't agreed with it.

If you have any offsprings of Galiba in your country please please take them under investigation.

For more info please read the topic on the French forum:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...1500&langid=15

[admin]

Originally Posted by elf

červené barvy, které vidíte na plemeni Saarloos. Zde je obrázek z jednoho psa z tohoto vrhu:

What is the name of this dogs?

[elf]

chovatel řekl, že je Sibir a jeden z jeho potomků.

[leila]

Preklad:
Je podozrenie, že Galiba CW je saarloos mix.
Na obrázku môžete vidieť jeden príklad. Ale sú aj problémy s touto líniou v iných chov.stnaiciach (napr. "známe" mixy od "de la Louve Blanche", ktoré boli tak kritizované ostatnými chovateľmi). Je mnoho štneiatok narodených z tejto línie a ktoré majú veľa charakteristík Saarloosov (červená alebo úplne čierna farba, dvojfarebná maska, veľký rozdiel vo vývoji šteniatok - veľké ovisnuté uši, neforemné hlavy).

Po narodení červených šteniatok sa opýtal francúzsky chovateľ Edit Molnár, aby spravila testy DNA - bola pripravený prísť do Maďarska a zaplatiť všetky poplatky za testy, ale bez udania vážneho dôvodu nesúhlasila chovateľka CW s tým.

Je tu veľa odchovov po Galibovi CW vo vašej krajine, prosím, držte ich pod "dohľadom".

Viac info na francúzskom fóre:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...1500&langid=15

[leila]

Môj názor: neviem teda, či to vidím správne, ale IMHO u čsv by sa takáto farba nemala vyskytnúť, pretože toto je farba Saarloosov po predkoch malamutoch, huskies,... alebo čo to tam majú v krvi... Aj jeho nos má nádych do hneda... Teda neviem, ale za celú históriu čsv - bolo niekedy takéto šteňa? Prečo sa báť DNA testov, ak je ok.

[admin]

Originally Posted by elf

chovatel řekl, že je Sibir a jeden z jeho potomků.

OK, I already received a message. It is Sibir Crying Wolf x Thalia Crying Wolf.

The DNA test was done and it is 100% sure that parents of this red dog are Sibir and Thalia.

[Dayen]

Tohle jsou docela silná obvinění. Předtím, než budete šířit takové věci o psu o jakémkoli ČSV, přečtěte si něco o genetice. Admine a Elfe, v jedné věci jste vedle:

Pokud se opravdu bavíme podle genetiky o hnědém pigmentu (tedy o štěněti s hnědým nosem a vizuelně červeným kožíškem):

* Aby se ve vrhu po dvou černě pigmentovaných jedincích narodilo štěně s hnědým pigmentem, musí oba rodiče mít vlohu pro hnědý pigment. Pokud by ji ČSV měli, tak by se nám ve vrzích pravidelně rodila hnědá štěňata!!!

* Takže je statisticky nemožné, aby se ve vrhu, kde je alespoň jeden rodič čisté ČSV, narodilo hnědé štěně!

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Those are very heavy accusations. Be carefull about what you are saying and also, please read something about genetics before you spread such gossip about any CSW. Admin and Elf, you are both wrong in one point:

If we are really talking about brown pigmentation (red puppy, brown nose):

* To have such a puppy born in a litter with parents with black pigmentation, both parents must have gene for a brown color/pigment. If such gene is possible for Czechoslovakian wolfdogs, we would have brown puppies quite often over the years!

* So, from a CSW statistic, you can NOT have puppy with brown pigmentation from a litter in which at least one parent is pure CSW!

[admin]

Originally Posted by Dayen

Those are very heavy accusations. Be carefull about what you are saying and also, please read something about genetics before you spread such gossip about any CSW. Admin and Elf, you are both wrong in one point:

If we are really talking about brown pigmentation (red puppy, brown nose):

* To have such a puppy born in a litter with parents with black pigmentation, both parents must have gene for a brown color/pigment. If such gene is possible for Czechoslovakian wolfdogs, we would have brown puppies quite often over the years!

* So, from a CSW statistic, you can NOT have puppy with brown pigmentation from a litter in which at least one parent is pure CSW!

Don't you see that exactly YOU wrote the strongest accusations? But not wonder - it is very easy to draw the conclusions.

Yes, I know about the genetic of this kind of color. Elf even more.
You are right - to have such puppies both parents must be carriers of the red color.

The French breeder made OFFICIAL DNA test - there is NO DOUBT that the parents are Sibir and Thalia Crying Wolf.

Because the Hungarian breeder do not want to cooperate with the French breeder and do not want to make any DNA test on her dogs the French breeder decided to make the whole story public.

[Dayen]

Originally Posted by Admin

Don't you see that exactly YOU wrote the strongest accusations? But not wonder - it is very easy to draw the conclusions.

I only wrote what was missing here.
You have the evidence about Sibir and Thalia, it's important to know.
If you have no evidence about Galiba Crying Wolf, that's the accusation for me. Galiba is not Edit Molnar's dog.

[elf]

Originally Posted by Dayen

Those are very heavy accusations.

No, jsem nepsal obvinění, ale srážky, fakta jsou:

- Thalia x Sibir dal nějaké červené štěňata (Saarloos podobně)
- DNA testy říká Thalia x Sibir jsou rodiče
- Z toho, co vím, oba rodiče musí být dopravci, tak konečně stovky psů se mohou podílet na celém světě

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Well, I did not write accusations but deductions, the facts are:

- Thalia x Sibir gave some red puppies (Saarloos alike)
- DNA tests tells Thalia x Sibir are the parents
- From what I know both parents have to be carriers, so finally hundred of dogs may be involved worldwide

[Hanka]

Red noses? So Lorry, I think your pups must be really some mix. But I belive you, it is not your fault.

"Červené" nosy? V tom případě si myslím, že tvá štěňata jsou opravdu kříženci. Ale věřím, že to není tvá vina.