Géméhtouès des Loups de l'Ostrevent dite Edora

[ArImInIuM]

donc diamond c'est sarloos et doz c'est ????? loup ????
parceque dans la rue autant dire que ma chienne est un mélange de loup plutot qu'un mariage de saarloos ( que les gens néophites connaissent autant que le CLT) mais arretez un peu , apportez nous des preuves, des choses concrètes .... aprés on en parlera, pour le moment c'est un CLT à preuve du contraire. le jour ou les preuves seront là, on en reparle .....

pour moi elle a une tête de CLT les couleurs d'un CLT, les oreilles d'un CLT, le masque d'un CLT les yeux d'un CLT un point c'est tout .



si vous m'apportez la preuve du contraire j'aviserais mais pour le moment rien n'est sûr .... mais ça ne changera rien sur le regard admiratif que je peux poser sur elle, j'ai un chien entre les mains, et je connais suffisement le loup pour vous dire qu'elle n'en a pas les comportements, même à la 3eme génération "supposée"

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

donc diamond c'est sarloos et doz c'est ????? loup ????

à vous de me dire comment vous ont été placé ces chiots ......

Pour Demoniak je sais pas, mais c'est sur je me pose des questions en rapport à ses origines ........, pour Doz par contre je sais, et je sais que tu es au courant aussi Chris .....

[plume]

ca jacasse ici on dirait, mais ça n'avance pas beaucoup...

faute d'éléments on dirait que chacun campe sur ses positions...

Certains prétendent avoir des éléments qu'ils ne montrent pas, d'autre supposent...

le débat ne semble pas constructif malheureusement...

Moi aussi j'ai un vrai CLT



:twis ted:

ET JE PEUX LE PROUVER MAIS JE VOUS MONTRERAI PAS

[ArImInIuM]

tout ce que je sais en regardant VOTRE bible c'est que édora du coté de son grand père est la 8eme génération avec du loup, ceci explique peut être cela non ??

Mephisto Crying Wolf


qui descend de :
Moòa z Krotkovského dvora CS


qui descend de
Omar z Krotkovského dvora CS



une sacrée ressemblance quand même avec doz ........ donc pour moi les choses sont claires doz n'est pas un "mix" j'en suis sûr .......

[plume]

ben oui mais c'est pas Dox là , c'est Mix Plume, heuuuuu Miss Plume

[ArImInIuM]

maintenant quand on regarde les origines de demoniak ils ont avec doz en commun à la 6 eme génération le même ancêtre

Orlík z Rosíkova CS (f4)



en génération anterieure

Rep z Pohranièní strá¾e (F3)



Cita z Pohranièní strá¾e (F2)

Xavan z Pohranièní strá¾e (F1)
et pour finir la base de la lignée un vrai loup

©arik _Canis Lupus Lupus_

donc quand je compare chaar'rey qui est à la 18eme génération depuis la première hybridation il est un peu logique que l'aspect peut être un peu different tant physiquement que comportementalement.
avant de prendre édora nous avons tout de même surveiller ceci ....

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

donc quand je compare chaar'rey qui est à la 18eme génération depuis la première hybridation il est un peu logique que l'aspect peut être un peu different tant physiquement que comportementalement.
avant de prendre édora nous avons tout de même surveiller ceci ....

Non Chris, je ne te rejoins pas du tout ladessus, il n'y a rien de logique dans ceci...

Voilà le pedigree de mon pilloux Apache, au final, si je suis ton raisonnement, Apache est bien plus proche du loup, aspect moins lupoide (pour certain) et un caractère de chien tout simplement ....

http://www.wolfdog.org/fra/dbase/p6400-9.html

[admin]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

tout ce que je sais en regardant VOTRE bible c'est que édora du coté de son grand père est la 8eme génération avec du loup, ceci explique peut être cela non ??

Mephisto Crying Wolf


qui descend de :
Moòa z Krotkovského dvora CS


qui descend de
Omar z Krotkovského dvora CS



une sacrée ressemblance quand même avec doz ........ donc pour moi les choses sont claires dox n'est pas un "mix" j'en suis sûr .......

You mix again a lot.

The old slovakian lines are wolfish (because they are inbreeds on Rep who had 45% wolfblood). Doz is a (illegal) mix with EUROPEAN Wolf so it is wolfdog (European Wolfdog). It is why it is "wolffish".
I have no idea what kind of mix is Demoniak but the puppies of Doz and Demoniak are ALL UNTYPICAL (as Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs). And totally different than Mephisto, Mona or Omar (different heads, body and masks that a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog can have). All of them look like American Wolfdogs (Husky, GSD, Tundra wolf crosses) or crosses with Saarloos (what is the almost the same - Husky, GSD, Tundra wolf cross).

So the problem is not Doz and Demoniac because they can "play" a CsW - it could be really possible to cheat people that both dogs are just nice CsW - that they are "result of great work of French breeders". But the true show the puppies of both of them and of Demoniac. Because by the puppies you already see that they are not purebreed wolfdogs - they do not resemble CsW (and have also NOTHING common with Crying Wolf or Slovakian lines). And there are more dogs by this kennel which have serious faults which are TOTALLY UNTYPICAL for Czechoslovakian Woldog.

Please do not try to say that "Cryinf wolf is responsible" because there are many offspring of Crying Wolf in Slovakia, Czech Republic and Italy and there were NO cases of Saarloos alike dogs there. There were NO puppies born which have liver color or are untypical in look like the dogs from de la Louve Blanche kennel.

And you can see that every generation of that dogs is more and more untypical. It is a sing for first generation crosses which were done in the near future (such division of genes you have by F2-F3 crosses). And only in France.

[admin]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

n reparle .....

pour moi elle a une tête de CLT les couleurs d'un CLT, les oreilles d'un CLT, le masque d'un CLT les yeux d'un CLT un point c'est tout .

The ears are too big (I would say - they are HUGE - as big as the whole head almost). But some puppies form this line they are GIANT. Even Czech "Shepherd lines" have smaller ears.
And the ears are hanging to the sides which is typical for "Saarloos". Sorry but Wolves, Crying Wolf and Slovakian lines do not have such ears.

[hekate]

Baby my femelle have same ears and now his ears are very small.

[admin]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

Here are photos of Crying Wolf dogs of similar age from the same line:





You see the difference? All have small ears settled to the top. Not even one has such Saarloos ears like the puppies of Demoniak and Doz.

[hekate]

My femelle baby



And 3years old


You can see the evolution of his ears
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/fr/gal...ubcat/1/10295/

So for you she isn't a pure to?

[admin]

Originally Posted by hekate

My femelle baby



And 3years old


You can see the evolution of his ears
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/fr/gal...ubcat/1/10295/

So for you she isn't a pure to?

I can say that the puppy do not look like Crying Wolf. Maybe there is something special - something wrong - in the mothers line? By Yvanka de New Flame? Maybe she is responsible for the totally different look of the dogs? Are you sure that breeder de New flame do not have also Saarloos?

But for sure something is not ok. You will see when the puppies of your female are born if they will be as untypical as the puppies of Demoniac.

I get messages with links to other photos and I must say there are more such very strange cases.

This dog

can not be born of Merlin and Ossa. Never such dog was born by Crying Wolf and it has no build and look of CW dogs. And the puppies of this female are even more untypical:

It is black colour which NEVER appear in this line (NEVER appear in whole Slovakia). It is colour which you can only find by American crosses. Never by CsW. It is for sure not pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdog.
Here you can see it better:

such color is disqualification for Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And can be a prove for you that it is not purebree line. I must say also in the whole litter of Demoniak Diamond and C'Pouchka there is not even one dog which is a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog.
Please do not say that are not mixes of something.
The same is here

- this dog look like male but is a female. Such masculine heavy head are very typical for american crosses.

[hekate]

I don't know New flame. I'm sure my femelle is a daughter of Volos because I have ADN test.

Look this femelle, she have big ears too and is not the same blood



http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/fr/gal...ubcat/1/11738/

[admin]

Originally Posted by hekate

Look this femelle, she have big ears too and is not the same blood

EXACTLY - it is not the same blood. Many dogs from the Czech lines have huge ears - but they have the form of the ears of German Shepherd Dogs. It is common fault there.

But you do not have such ears by Slovakian lines. And never by very inbreed dogs from Crying Wolf.

The differences are much more visible in the color - you NEVER will get black dogs like the puppies of C'Pouschka because such color do not exist by CsW. There was never born a puppy like the one which I showed.

The whole problem is not that there are some faults - there are many untypical CsW. But the problem is that the fault appear by the lines where such faults dog not exist and there are many faults which never exist by Czecoslovakian Wolfdogs. There are more untypical dogs born by C'Pouschka than in the whole history of the breed...

[hekate]

Look this pup, he is frome Crying Wolf



http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/fr/gal...ubcat/1/13094/

And it's the same blood them my femelle and Diamon

[hekate]

Originally Posted by Admin

I can say that the puppy do not look like Crying Wolf.

Yes maybe baby she don't look like crying wolf but adulte yes

With Volos

[admin]

Here I post some photos of American Wolfdogs (husky, malamute, gsd, wolf crosses). You can see that the look EXACTLY like the MIXES from France:

(look the black color)







This one is a Malamute-Tundra Wolf cross:



Looks exactly like a copy of Fantastik Wolweryne de la Louve Blanche. Right?

[hekate]

Young yes it's yhe same color but now is more clear.

Look the femelle of Martial, she is very dark too. She look like a lot has the last photo




Désolé Martial ce n'est pas contre toi mais j'avais Deyma en tete comme chien foncé et a cette heure pas la motivation de chercher dans la base de donnée un autre chien foncé.

[admin]

Originally Posted by hekate

Young yes it's yhe same color but now is more clear.

Look the femelle of Martial, she is very dark too. She look like a lot has the last photo

This color come from Czech line and from Bora Mabosa. There are some dark grey dogs but even there are not solid black like by puppies of C'Pouschka and Demoniac.

But we are talking about Demoniac and C'Pouschka - there is NO Bora Mabosa there. All dogs are for all generations grey or brown-grey. There is no explanation for this black pigmentation. Especially that the paintings are typical for American Wolfdogs and not CsW.