Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Admin

What is not explicable are the puppies of Yarl Yanatos Crying Wolf looking for example like a husky-GSD-mix:

for me look like husky only

[*Satu]

The problem is solved by testing the DNA for four generations or more To All litters and if there is mixed dogs. Breeder will pay if the dogs can be found mixed.

Breeder who have litters all a time can´t have money problems.

[monita]

We would like to offer you our help financially or by creating a connection with the MEOE.
MEOE is the abbriviation for Hungarian Kennel Club (of course, in Hungarian language).

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by monita

We would like to offer you our help financially or by creating a connection with the MEOE.
MEOE is the abbriviation for Hungarian Kennel Club (of course, in Hungarian language).

SUPER !!!

Can you tell us more about how you can help ???

Very best regards / Mikael

[Jet]

It seems that "affected" are not only suggested litters of T-Crying wolf and S-Crying Wolf but also V-Crying Wolf and Y-Crying Wolf. And their offsprings.

So Admin, what is the next step?

- Are you going to stick a 'MIX' on these litters?

- Are you going to tell every'one :
till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from hungria from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the producers.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Jet

till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from hungria from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the producers.

I do not think he has to write that people are to be very cautious when buying dogs from this kennel for more than one reason

But please tell us Jet, are you defending false pedigree´s and / or MIX breeding or do you want to try to stop it ???

And if you want to stop it, please tell us how to do it... If (we) can not tell it here and the mixing gets bigger fore every year, how can we ever stop it ???

Regards / Mikael

[Jet]

I just want to hope the same rules are used for every one here.

So long we are speaking about 'la louve Blanche', this subject only concern Frank and owners of his litters. Outside that, we only can give opinions, helps, but nothing else usefull.

But Still I am french, with kinds relations with some breeders inside my country (Indiananous, Sherdor, et much more...) I think Wolfdog members, all around the world, have to be all eyes with these problems, without denigrate France. It is not the way.

Another problem is that there is very friendly people who bought puppies from la Louve Blanche. It is very hard to not stand together with them. Some of them are hurted by these stories. But You are right, me too, I must keep the right way.

I think it is easier for the admin to try to eliminate the louve blanche problem. Just a few dogs in Europe. The Crying wolf litters is a very bigger problem... How many dogs are coming from S/T/Y/V lines? A few hundred? thousand of puppies? In every country???

As we are always expecting wich AWD dog, with proofs (Admin just said he is 100% sure, really not enough for us), is in La louve blanche's breeds, you have a picture of a Saarloos mâle in the Crying Kennel, just at the born time. I see your investigation on it, but it seems to be less belligerent.

Be sure Mikael, my voice is just a hope of fairy justice...

[admin]

Originally Posted by Jet

So Admin, what is the next step?

- Are you going to stick a 'MIX' on these litters?

- Are you going to tell every'one :
till the case will be solved please do not buy any puppies from hungria from the mentioned kennels or kennel which base on dogs coming from the producers.

I will mark with !!!!_!___!!! litters and offsprings of Sybir and Thalia (and all dogs from their litters) till the same will be explained.
But when we talk about the whole kennel: it is the same the case as the case of the French kennel - the credibility of this kennel is also missing at the moment. It seems that some dogs can be mixes. And that the breeder knew it very well. The question is: which dogs and litters are "affected". Mixing with Saarloos can give "strange" looking dogs but also puppies which seems normal and first they offspring will show characteristics typical for Saarloos (example: "normal" Sibir and first his offspring are "Saarloos alike").

[monita]

Originally Posted by Mikael

SUPER !!!

Can you tell us more about how you can help ???

Very best regards / Mikael

Write what would you want, and we'll help you.

[Jet]

A lot of us, and me at all, falled in love with CSV because we were half-wolf lovers when we were young.

I m 47. I red Jack London, James Oliver Curwood, when i was 14.

My first dog was a 'Beauceron' (Berger de Beauce). It was a Sheepdog with FCI pedigree. This race of dog, is Black and fire, large, robust and rustic as the CSV, but definitly a dog. When he was my best friend, 5 yers ago, i discovered CSV on the web, I really falled in love : so magesty, beauty, wild, and... a dog!!!

When my beauceron died.. Only Pain. And after a long period of mourning, i bought my CSV.

This story is just to explain you that a lot of CSV lovers are just wolf-dog lovers. The paper, the pedigree, the breeder, is just a first good way to find our first Wolfdog. I hope there is the same stories all around the world.

Owners of MLS, of the louve blanche are friendly on this forum, or on others french CSV forums. They love their dog. They also have very good relationship with breeders, who don't let them alone with this crocodile (uhuh, a young CSV is sometimes (always??? ) who waste every shoes, every bag, every everything!!!

are they in pain that their lovely dog is not pure? I m not sure... these dogs are beautifull, as their dreams were singing all night long around their eyes. these breeders are friendly with them, the community also.
No, they are not looking for that war.

A lot of theses owners, a lot of these owners will never breed. So you cannot ask them to stop things that thy are not concerned.

If I post there, it is first beacause i like to exchange my passion with other people, and also to say they are not responsible persons.

Sure you re right, the only Way is a french kennel club action : but the CBEI get no power. So only the FCI can make the rules. A war between breeders is not a solution, there is already in France rivals clans, hate, these lovely things between human beings...

Imagine in France, i cannot take my dog for a walk with all CSV fans in my region because some of them have bad memories together, often about these subject of breeding.

I tell you... Nothing is shining in this world, so think first to the dog.

Sorry to have disturb the Red CSV colored post, i just wanted to explain it is very hard to try to help you, to help Lorry in this Quest, with that french context.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Jet

A lot of us, and me at all, falled in love with CSV because we were half-wolf lovers when we were young.

This story is just to explain you that a lot of CSV lovers are just wolf-dog lovers. The paper, the pedigree, the breeder, is just a first good way to find our first Wolfdog. I hope there is the same stories all around the world.

Jet, I'm not saying this to be contrary or mean to you, but if this is true, would not a random wolf-dog mix be absolutely fine for this parameter? Something like random American wolf dog mix.

Of course I hope this is not true.. that people will buy a CsV not only because of romantic notions of wolves but also because they want a dog which will grow, develop, and act the way that is predictable to the CsV.

For this it is important for some, I hope most, that CsVs remain a purebred dog.

Originally Posted by Jet

are they in pain that their lovely dog is not pure? I m not sure... these dogs are beautifull, as their dreams were singing all night long around their eyes. these breeders are friendly with them, the community also.

And that's fine, just don't call random mixes Czechoslovakian Vlcaks because they are not ..not that it's better or worse, just that it is not.

Leave the CsV breed to people who want not just any wolfdog but also a wolfdog coming from the history of CsV, which mixes with false papers are destroying.

Originally Posted by Jet

A lot of theses owners, a lot of these owners will never breed. So you cannot ask them to stop things that thy are not concerned.

Unfortunately enough do take products of mixes and breed them, such that they influence many other dog's pedigree. If others aren't concerned with the breed, just that they have a wolfdog, then it should be fine for them that their dog is not recognized as a Czechoslovakian Vlcak, to have their dog removed from registration and studbook.

Originally Posted by Jet

Sure you re right, the only Way is a french kennel club action : but the CBEI get no power. So only the FCI can make the rules.

Well, if some action was attempted, maybe it would be justified to say that CBEI has no power, all efforts failed. Has some action been made?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Jet

Sure you re right, the only Way is a french kennel club action : but the CBEI get no power. So only the FCI can make the rules. A war between breeders is not a solution, there is already in France rivals clans, hate, these lovely things between human beings...

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but french club thake a pedigree for this dogs- in this case they have a POWER make documents and register dogs, when this pedigree blank have this suspicious dogs. Why you say they not have a power. FCI regulamin say - "mas breed pure dogs" " FCI are organization in who are others countrys club. CBEI are in FCI? yes - in this case he mas make who say FCI- breed pure CSV. are this breeder in CBEI- yes. in this case all regulamin valid who say FCI.
first who mas work in this case and are CBEI, when his make a pedigree for this dog.
CBEI make "pure dogs" pedigree for this animals and CBEI can canceled this documents.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Jet

A lot of us, and me at all, falled in love with CSV because we were half-wolf lovers when we were young.

First - it is not for you personally. Just a reaction.
In fact it is really a problem - people who feel that "their soul is similar to wolf", or they are sure that wolves are "so loyal and loving", or they simply feel so "natural" and the "wolf" would complete this image. Fu. I want to vomit when I hear such talks. It is - first of all - a working breed, designed to - let's be open - attack people. It will never be a wolf, if somebody wants one, let him buy a laika - this will be a nice, rustic dog, you may grow long hair, beard, dress like warrior princess Xena and feel how wild you are... Sad thing that all these "wolf lovers" have no wild wolves in their countries, had only seen wolf in zoo or TV, have no idea what influence this wolf blood makes REALLY for a breed. Usually I guess they even do not go to "wild" nature at all - they are citizens, used to runing hot water, traveling by cars, weather conditioners and so on, they need COMFORT, so CsV is NOT a comfortable dog AT ALL (that is why I love them). And these people want "a wolf" to make some image. Feeeee.

Other thing is - I really openly hate people who do not respect the work of the generations before, in this case - breeding work. Somebody maybe risked their lives to save these dogs from utilization, worked, tried to do their best to create these amazing creatures, that most of us here love and enjoy every minute spent together. And now some idiots, having shit instead of their brains, destroy the hard work of other people by making mixes!!! And - sorry - the people who buy "purebred" dogs with no pedigrees or people, who buy "CsV" with "more wolf" - ar also... hm, I'll try to be polite... not so good and clever people

Rrrrrrrrrrr.