MISSING credibility of the French pedigrees

[Hanka]

Hi Marcy, thanks for info.So exist more possibilities. Here are some DNA laboratory too, so if we will need some this test, we will ask here too. But in this moment it is not (Thanks God) actuel.

[GalomyOak]

No problem, Hanka. I guess, we don't see it (though I am sure it is in some breeds or instances) as a problem - but rather being proactive, so we don't find ourselves in a big mess in the future, if maybe some club rules change, bad officers or judges come in, etc. Meaning - it's easier to have accurate DNA results for the future if we have more DNA results now, especially on older dogs who may not be here if a problem arises, dogs who have many litters, with maybe some puppies that are sold, and get "lost" - with dogs "related to them" (or not) years down the road. People living in the Czech Rep. and Slovakia are lucky - you have very easy access to some of the aging "legends" of our breed (and their offspring), and also some of the tighter breeding controls within your clubs for our beloved breed. You really have an opportunity - not a problem - to grow gold from an ugly seed - to lead our breed in making sure we have integrity and purity for many generations to come. I feel certain other country clubs will follow if someone is willing to lead (unless they have something to hide, I guess) - the US for sure!

[Hanka]

I hope YOU will be leader of US breeding! Or not?

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by Hanka

I hope YOU will be leader of US breeding! Or not?

That's a different topic. But...for my lifetime I hope to influence breeding in the US in every positive way I can. Truth is though...it is the "land of the free". I have no authority to say what dog can breed to what dog, as long as they both have registrations saying they are CSVs from any FCI country (or American born litter). Untypical dogs, mixed dogs with FCI registration, violently aggressive dogs, shy dogs, unhealthy dogs - any with a registration. No questions asked. No parent breed club has been able to change this national rule...AKC wants to make money from every registration it can. AKC even has a rule saying you don't even need the pedigree - only the spoken names of the two parents for an imported dog (to account for native dogs, of say, places like Africa where breed may only be defined by "type" rather than pedigree). After 3 generations, puppies from these breedings receive full registration. Can you imagine how angry you would be if in the future, some AWD breeder in the US, despite our protest, managed to lie and say "Oh, here is a puppy from Ali Reolup and...". And this dog went on to have puppies all bearing precious Ali's name? Maybe even sending puppies back to Europe in the future? It's a dangerous, yet preventable, problem.

Breed clubs do have some influence to ask AKC to close the stud book, hopefully ending this practice, which we will do for sure. But to have DNA to fall back on if a problem did arise would be...priceless.

[Hanka]

Hi hi, Marcy, maybe better is don´t write me about situation in US. I will sleep better.

[GalomyOak]

It's ugly...and scary, for sure.

My point is though...the CSV is an internationally loved breed now, due in a very large part to the hard work in breed perservation, promotion and advancement from the original founding countries. No country, or honest individual wants to be responsible for ruining it. But some things are beyond the control of breed clubs or individuals maybe (I don't know how it is in France, or Italy). The help of DNA - from as many dogs as possible - is very helpful to solve some problems. I wish...we could all work together. With diplomacy.

[draggar]

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

AKC wants to make money from every registration it can.

AKC has never done anything to prove that, I mean just look at how ethical this promotion is from a few years ago:



Yes, you reister 10 litters you get the 11th for $1, come on now! They're practically giving away registrations, this proves it's not about the money! Just whelp 10 litters after October 1, 2009 and before the program ended on june 30th, 2010 then you're all set!

.. and tis, a FREE Health Clinic!



AKC and the Hunte Corporation aren't doing this for money either! Hunt openly claims that they spend over $160,000 modifying "trucks and trailers" for dog transportation! He also had a special incinerator engineered for his facility!

It's not about the money!

(note: there is a little bit of sarcasm in this post).

The issue is that the larger they get, the greedier they get. Doesn't FCI reciprocate with AKC so if a dog is AKC registered it can get FCI registered? That's VERY scary. We could have registered our collie as a terveurn - maybe we'll register our cat next.

Its up to the breed clubs to teach the public about the dogs and tresponsible breeding, training, and ownership.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi Marcy, thanks for info.So exist more possibilities. Here are some DNA laboratory too, so if we will need some this test, we will ask here too. But in this moment it is not (Thanks God) actuel.

but he is actuel maybe today not to CZ or LT people but for others dogs. Like I say if dog have mixing in generation back - paternity test not help ( mama x papa).