Sending a dog to a different continent - Guide for breeders

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

Thank you Paula for the tips to breeders, which are by the way good for prospective buyers too, to see if the breeder they contacted is responsible or just wants to get rid of the pups.

But I don't completely agree with you on one toic - you write it is not good to import pups from line that already exists. Of course it is better to increase the number of lines, but on the other hand, you don't want to have only one stud in each line. Even in the lines you should have some genetic variability. An when you import puppy you never know what will happen - the one that comes might for example miss a tooth, have bad character, etc., so it is better to have possibilities. No material is truly lost if used with great care, in the opposite, using a stud which is not of a good quality and not importing other pup instead from the same line can cause more damage for the breed, don't you think?

we have similar situation like Paula about import- when we buy a puppy from others country - Slovakia example we buy one from one litter and next from others. WHEN like you say puppy not go to breed we later buy new dog with this blood, but not import in this same time this same bloods or parents pupps from this same liters, when this not important to much have 2-3 puppy with this same blood in this same time. and we have easy situation only 1200 km to SK. no waters like Paula

see in Russia they have about 40 CSV ( I not member good ) but blood line ... are two or 3 only when are breeders who send all puppy from this same litters ( example 5 females from this same litters who have in this time), - about who good genetic we can speak in this time, when not are dogs who can go to breeding when are sister- brother and this same blood. I think about this better say Morian

[saschia]

yes, I agree that it is not good to have most animals in one line. But that doesn't mean that import of puppy of line which is already there is always a waste. I didn't mean to contradict.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by saschia

yes, I agree that it is not good to have most animals in one line. But that doesn't mean that import of puppy of line which is already there is always a waste. I didn't mean to contradict.

aha when old line dogs you mas "hunting" when very smal breeders have this and hard becam puppy from this ( like litter with Arek ). Others is easer to buy when are moore litters with this same blood.

[Morian]

Originally Posted by wolfin

see in Russia they have about 40 CSV ( I not member good ) but blood line ... are two or 3 only when are breeders who send all puppy from this same litters ( example 5 females from this same litters who have in this time), - about who good genetic we can speak in this time, when not are dogs who can go to breeding when are sister- brother and this same blood. I think about this better say Morian

this problem is not in the number of puppies sold or their lines, if they were sold as pets - why not? but when breeder x sells 7 pups at once, 4 from them are in the same kennel (non fci by the way with very questionable reputation), 1 pup to one more kennel which owns also non fci wolfdogs, which is a puppy (and kitten...) mill... i don't want to tell about these two kennels, but i'm sure and many people reading russian forum can confirm that breeder x had info or could have it before selling pups. by the way, breeder x had really tragic expirience with selling pups to russia some years ago. but money can force to forget it all, yes and this is only one example, there are many more.
i can only say that european breeders must sign strict contracts with russians which are going to breed csv here - the contract should oblige them to have hd and ed evaluation, dm tests, bonitaion etc. we have no club here, somebody must take care, this is a matter of conscience in the face of the breed we all love and take care of.
we found a way to improve this situation here, but we need the same attitude and support from the european breeders.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Morian

this problem is not in the number of puppies sold or their lines, if they were sold as pets - why not? .

sale like pets to Russia??? not imposible

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

i can only say that european breeders must sign strict contracts with russians which are going to breed csv here - the contract should oblige them to have hd and ed evaluation, dm tests, bonitaion etc. we have no club here, somebody must take care, this is a matter of conscience in the face of the breed we all love and take care of.
we found a way to improve this situation here, but we need the same attitude and support from the european breeders.

But do these contracts work internationally? Even in our own country we sign contracts, that are nearly meaningless For example, usually it is written, what does buyer have to fulfill before breeding a dog, but it does not speak about what will happend if he won't

Do we have any lawyers here?

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Do we have any lawyers here?

surely this is not me, so i can't answer your question but i think it's possible to do a contract which would work internationally

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

But do these contracts work internationally?

Nop they do not work internationally and almost not even nationally

The only thing that works are $$$ Let the buyer pay for a HD and ED x-ray when they pick up the puppy and than later pay the money back when they have official results on there dog at 18-24 month of age

Very best regards / Mikael

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Nop they do not work internationally and almost not even nationally

at us if we sign such contract - it will work. i mean within russia.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Morian

at us if we sign such contract - it will work. i mean within russia.

OK, but what happens if they deside to breed the dog anyway ???

What can you do ???

Best regards / Mikael

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Mikael

What can you do ???

Best regards / Mikael

my rights and variants of solving of every situation must be written in the contract. maybe i can take my pup back or oblige owners to pay some penalty... but sorry, i don't know more about our law, i'm not a lawyer. and i have no pups for sale

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Mikael

OK, but what happens if they deside to breed the dog anyway ???

What can you do ???

Best regards / Mikael

Here contracts within the US work pretty well, though I'd advise the contracts to be drawn up by an attorney to be safe, and notarized when signed.

I know breeders, some of them my friends, that have confiscated dogs from owners that've bred litters against the stipulations of the contract.

But really the only way to make sure that someone doesn't breed a dog against your contract is to spay-neuter before the dogs leave the house. Pediatric spay/neuter can be done on as young as 8 weeks old.

For popular breeds not lacking in genetic diversity this is not a problem, especially for small breeds which don't have large growth plates which are affected by a regular spay/neuter.

Anyway, I'm not an attorney but internationally contracts can be upheld.. but it would depend on how much money you've got to pour into it. Which is why most if not all of the clients we represent are all huge multi-million dollar corporations.

So rationally speaking, international contracts are not enforceable to the average person on the average income.