What is the average content of the Czech wolfdog?

yukidomari · 27-09-2011, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

F1 50% wolf 50% GSD, F2 being 50% wolf/GSD and so on

That's not really accurate. There were plenty of backcrossing, linebreeding, and so forth, so it's more complicated than that.

happyfeet · 27-09-2011, 19:00

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

That's not really accurate. There were plenty of backcrossing, linebreeding, and so forth, so it's more complicated than that.

Thank you for your input, but with all due respect I asked the question regarding wolf blood content, this has nothing to do with anything else, as I stated in my question I am under no illusion that the wolf content becomes more domesticated but the fact still remains they have a traceable wolf blood content, what I feel you may not grasp is this breed was engineered so a strict and precise history exhists, further to that from what I gather the pure breeders have strict ethics and diluting the breed would not be tollerated. I can imagine things are perhaps much diferent in the States?

yukidomari · 27-09-2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

Thank you for your input, but with all due respect I asked the question regarding wolf blood content, this has nothing to do with anything else, as I stated in my question I am under no illusion that the wolf content becomes more domesticated but the fact still remains they have a traceable wolf blood content, what I feel you may not grasp is this breed was engineered so a strict and precise history exhists, further to that from what I gather the pure breeders have strict ethics and diluting the breed would not be tollerated. I can imagine things are perhaps much diferent in the States?

Not understanding how you've interpreted my post.. I was simply saying.. your example of saying "F1= 50% wolf, 50% GSD and F2= 50% wolf/GSD and so on" is not entirely accurate because that was not how the breeding was done. As I said, there was and is backcrossing and linebreeding, and so calculations would not strictly be by simply dividing, but rather you must account for things like F2b, and linebreeding. That's all.

What do you mean by "diluting" the breed though? Do you mean in terms of the mathematical calculation of wolfblood? That number is wholly irrelevant and says nothing about the temperament or type of an individual dog.. I can assure you that no breeder makes breeding plans based on what would maintain that mathematical number.

happyfeet · 27-09-2011, 19:43

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Not understanding how you've interpreted my post.. I was simply saying.. your example of saying "F1= 50% wolf, 50% GSD and F2= 50% wolf/GSD and so on" is not entirely accurate because that was not how the breeding was done. As I said, there was and is backcrossing and linebreeding, and so calculations would not strictly be by simply dividing, but rather you must account for things like F2b, and linebreeding. That's all.

What do you mean by "diluting" the breed though? Do you mean in terms of the mathematical calculation of wolfblood? That number is wholly irrelevant and says nothing about the temperament or type of an individual dog.. I can assure you that no breeder makes breeding plans based on what would maintain that mathematical number.

Yes I agree with you, I wanted to find out what the average % was, of which I now have a good idea. From my understanding (correct me if I am wrong) the genetic makeup ie the % wont change that much, it will of course change over a long period of time such as evolution and will mutate and cary the charicteristics of the parents (in most cases) giving more domesticated offspring?

Tassle · 27-09-2011, 23:28

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Not understanding how you've interpreted my post.. I was simply saying.. your example of saying "F1= 50% wolf, 50% GSD and F2= 50% wolf/GSD and so on" is not entirely accurate because that was not how the breeding was done. As I said, there was and is backcrossing and linebreeding, and so calculations would not strictly be by simply dividing, but rather you must account for things like F2b, and linebreeding. That's all.

What do you mean by "diluting" the breed though? Do you mean in terms of the mathematical calculation of wolfblood? That number is wholly irrelevant and says nothing about the temperament or type of an individual dog.. I can assure you that no breeder makes breeding plans based on what would maintain that mathematical number.

Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

yukidomari · 28-09-2011, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Tassle

Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

Tassle · 28-09-2011, 10:42

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

Always nice to keep these things in perspective

tupacs2legs · 28-09-2011, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Tassle

Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

exactly why i said its irrelevant

(in my first post)

happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 14:12

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

exactly why i said its irrelevant

(in my first post)

If it is irrelevant then why did you calculate your own dog???

loco · 28-09-2011, 15:06

I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood

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Shadowlands · 27-09-2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

Thank you for your input, but with all due respect I asked the question regarding wolf blood content, this has nothing to do with anything else, as I stated in my question I am under no illusion that the wolf content becomes more domesticated but the fact still remains they have a traceable wolf blood content, what I feel you may not grasp is this breed was engineered so a strict and precise history exhists, further to that from what I gather the pure breeders have strict ethics and diluting the breed would not be tollerated. I can imagine things are perhaps much diferent in the States?

Welcome to the forum and chill, Blaidd, Yukidomari wasn't having a go

Actually, things in the States are better than the UK, imo - they have a separate type of Wolfdog (high/low/mid content etc) but do not (as far as I know) crossbreed CsV's like so many people in the UK. Will you be getting involved with the group setting up to get the breed recognised by the Uk Kennel Club? I'm sure they would welcome your input being an existing owner.

What's your dog's name and how long have you had him/her?

tupacs2legs · 27-09-2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Welcome to the forum and chill, Blaidd, Yukidomari wasn't having a go

Actually, things in the States are better than the UK, imo - they have a separate type of Wolfdog (high/low/mid content etc) but do not (as far as I know) crossbreed CsV's like so many people in the UK. Will you be getting involved with the group setting up to get the breed recognised by the Uk Kennel Club? I'm sure they would welcome your input being an existing owner.

What's your dog's name and how long have you had him/her?

hmmm..... yet! lol wasnt a certain dog that was looking for a home going to be crossbred

(until it fell through)

happyfeet · 27-09-2011, 19:45

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

hmmm..... yet! lol wasnt a certain dog that was looking for a home going to be crossbred

(until it fell through)

I am sorry tupac2legs you have lost me?

tupacs2legs · 27-09-2011, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

Yes I agree with you, I wanted to find out what the average % was, of which I now have a good idea. From my understanding (correct me if I am wrong) the genetic makeup ie the % wont change that much, it will of course change over a long period of time such as evolution and will mutate and cary the charicteristics of the parents (in most cases) giving more domesticated offspring?

csv's are domestic albeit some would say 'primitive'

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

I am sorry tupac2legs you have lost me?

lol,sorry,i wouldnt expect u to know what i meant,but the person i was replying to should of..i hope

happyfeet · 27-09-2011, 20:09

Diolch everyone

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loco Non active. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Outside, walking the dog. Posts: 2,873	I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood . __________________ Just treat stupid situations like a dog.....If you can't play with it or eat it....... Then just piss on it and walk away . Last edited by loco; 28-09-2011 at 15:08.

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happyfeet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: on a farm Posts: 78	Diolch everyone