British Kennel Club Recognition

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

I agree with you!

theres a first time for everything! my hearts in the right place but I find this 'inner circle' thingy a little un easy

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

theres a first time for everything! my hearts in the right place but I find this 'inner circle' thingy a little un easy

Maybe use the word committee then, as with every breed club, a chairperson, secretary etc - tis exactly the same thing isn't it?

[Tassle]

Just a quick search on the Web came up with this, but this does not seem to be in relation to setting up a breed club, just standard rules that have to be adhered to *if* the KC get involved.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/480

Possibly Hedeon could email his contact and ask what rules have to be adhered to if setting up a breed club?

....That is if you want to go down the KC route?

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by Tassle

Just a quick search on the Web came up with this, but this does not seem to be in relation to setting up a breed club, just standard rules that have to be adhered to *if* the KC get involved.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/480

Possibly Hedeon could email his contact and ask what rules have to be adhered to if setting up a breed club?

....That is if you want to go down the KC route?

lol i think his 'contact'as u put it is caroline kisko...ohh she has sibes lol!

[Tazer]

Going back to a point made on the code of ethics, the following are just a few things that came to mind, with regards to breeders. More will probably follo.

That dogs/bitches to be used for breeding have some kind of assessment of their character. Wether that be a specific temperament test created by the club or, that they have to prove thmselves in areas such as obedience, working trials etc.

That breeders have their dog/bitches as a minimum hip scored and dm tested.

That all puppies are dna profiled. I'm also wondering if puppies should have some kind of id e.g microchip before they go to their new homes.

That bitches are a minimum of 2 years old before their first litter. I'm tempted to say the same for studs to...thoughts anyone?

That no bitch will be used for breeding after their 7th birthday.

That no breeder will use their dog/bitch to create mixes.

Then of course there's the obvious stuff like providing food, water, shelter, exercise, vet care and taking back any of the dogs/pups they've bred at anytime, for any reason, if the owner can't/will no longer keep them.

Has that yahoo/fb group been created yet?

Taz

[tupacs2legs]

Hi taz

Can u pm me your fb details please?

[pixie]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

Hi taz

Can u pm me your fb details please?

Has the group been set up then

[Nebulosa]

You have to take care with the rules for not turn too hard for the breeders chose different males, if you putas rule, for exemple, that all dogs used for breeding must have Elbows Displasy results or that they must be all N/N will be really hard for breeders to bring new blood and even for go to mate with different studs at other countries - something which will be REALLY needed, principally at the start of the breeding there -

Not only that, suppose you find an old dog from an very interesting line in your country, its an pure imported animal which the owner accepted to make the X rays, if there is as "rule" that the dog should have characer test and several dogshows it might make this owner give up of the idea and you will lost an very interesting stud.

I think you should put as rule for all dogs living in UK for breeding the need of Elbows and Hips displasy results, hips not higher than C, elbows not higher than 0-0 as elbows displasy is quite rare in the breed yet but extremely dangerous in an breed with such small genetic pool as CzW, as there are an small ammount of dogs with some degree of elbows displasy will be no problem to the breed itself make such rigorous selection.

Microchip is something easy and practical which I find crucial, the tatoo often used usualy get erased with time and then impossible to read.
Also is easier to erase an tatoo than took out microchip, I think microchip is safer for the dog and owner, identification is never too much.

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

You have to take care with the rules for not turn too hard for the breeders chose different males, if you putas rule, for exemple, that all dogs used for breeding must have Elbows Displasy results or that they must be all N/N will be really hard for breeders to bring new blood and even for go to mate with different studs at other countries - something which will be REALLY needed, principally at the start of the breeding there -

Not only that, suppose you find an old dog from an very interesting line in your country, its an pure imported animal which the owner accepted to make the X rays, if there is as "rule" that the dog should have characer test and several dogshows it can make this owner give up of the idea and you will lost an very interesting stud.

I think you should put as rule for all dogs living in UK for breeding the need of Elbows and Hips displasy results, hips not higher than C, elbows not higher than 0-0 as elbows displasy is quite rare in the breed yet but extremely dangerous in an breed with such small genetic pool as CzW, as there are an small ammount of dogs with some degree of elbows displasy will be no problem to the breed itself make such rigorous selection.

Microchip is something easy and practical which I find crucial, the tatoo often used usualy get erased with time and then impossible to read.
Also is easier to erase an tatoo than took out microchip, I think microchip is safer for the dog and owner, identification is never too much.

Thankyou very much for your imput

I agree with your points!
,when and if the breed is accepted 'showing' would partly take place as a character test imo as no dog with a bad one would be able to be shown and certainly shouldn't be placed

Also I prefer microchip,....getting ahead of myself here put all litters dm tested too as well as dna

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

You have to take care with the rules for not turn too hard for the breeders chose different males, if you putas rule, for exemple, that all dogs used for breeding must have Elbows Displasy results or that they must be all N/N will be really hard for breeders to bring new blood and even for go to mate with different studs at other countries - something which will be REALLY needed, principally at the start of the breeding there -

Not only that, suppose you find an old dog from an very interesting line in your country, its an pure imported animal which the owner accepted to make the X rays, if there is as "rule" that the dog should have characer test and several dogshows it might make this owner give up of the idea and you will lost an very interesting stud.

I think you should put as rule for all dogs living in UK for breeding the need of Elbows and Hips displasy results, hips not higher than C, elbows not higher than 0-0 as elbows displasy is quite rare in the breed yet but extremely dangerous in an breed with such small genetic pool as CzW, as there are an small ammount of dogs with some degree of elbows displasy will be no problem to the breed itself make such rigorous selection.

Microchip is something easy and practical which I find crucial, the tatoo often used usualy get erased with time and then impossible to read.
Also is easier to erase an tatoo than took out microchip, I think microchip is safer for the dog and owner, identification is never too much.

Those are fair points.

I was thinking that the character test could be for dogs in the uk, if someon wants to use a dog outside the uk, then its at their discretion.

I agree with regards to elbow testing and dm, I think using carriers providing 2 aren't mated with each other is fine, esp as the breed has a small gene pool.


Taz

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by Tazer

Going back to a point made on the code of ethics, the following are just a few things that came to mind, with regards to breeders. More will probably follo.

That dogs/bitches to be used for breeding have some kind of assessment of their character. Wether that be a specific temperament test created by the club or, that they have to prove thmselves in areas such as obedience, working trials etc.

That breeders have their dog/bitches as a minimum hip scored and dm tested.

That all puppies are dna profiled. I'm also wondering if puppies should have some kind of id e.g microchip before they go to their new homes.

That bitches are a minimum of 2 years old before their first litter. I'm tempted to say the same for studs to...thoughts anyone?

That no bitch will be used for breeding after their 7th birthday.

That no breeder will use their dog/bitch to create mixes.

Then of course there's the obvious stuff like providing food, water, shelter, exercise, vet care and taking back any of the dogs/pups they've bred at anytime, for any reason, if the owner can't/will no longer keep them.

Has that yahoo/fb group been created yet?

Taz

Firstly, thankyou to Nebulosa for recreating an open discussion forum

Taz,

Great ground work...

On the point of microchipping, this will be essential for all dogs before any DM, DNA testing etc as otherwise, the results will be meaningless. I know that Laboklin have a lab in the UK - maybe it would be worth approaching them to see if you can negotiate some kind of club discount - after all, once you good people get this show on the road, you will be putting a LOT of work their way I know that I, for one, will be having all future pups both DM screened and DNA profiled prior to them leaving us (one blood sample covers all...), so don't know if you would like to consider this as a possibility too?

Great that you are suggesting minimum and maximum ages for breeding bitches and like the inclusion of the character test, but like Tupacs2legs says - showing is a type of character test in itself. And the BAN on mixing is essential if you hope the KC to take you all seriously (and will open up so many more bloodlines from Europe for you all).

Well done!! I know you and Pixie and Tupacs2legs (and all the others - sorry not to mention you all, but you - and we - know who you are ) have only the breed's interests at heart and will succeed in getting things moving at last.

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Firstly, thankyou to Nebulosa for recreating an open discussion forum

Taz,

Great ground work...

On the point of microchipping, this will be essential for all dogs before any DM, DNA testing etc as otherwise, the results will be meaningless. I know that Laboklin have a lab in the UK - maybe it would be worth approaching them to see if you can negotiate some kind of club discount - after all, once you good people get this show on the road, you will be putting a LOT of work their way I know that I, for one, will be having all future pups both DM screened and DNA profiled prior to them leaving us (one blood sample covers all...), so don't know if you would like to consider this as a possibility too?

Great that you are suggesting minimum and maximum ages for breeding bitches and like the inclusion of the character test, but like Tupacs2legs says - showing is a type of character test in itself. And the BAN on mixing is essential if you hope the KC to take you all seriously (and will open up so many more bloodlines from Europe for you all).

Well done!! I know you and Pixie and Tupacs2legs (and all the others - sorry not to mention you all, but you - and we - know who you are ) have only the breed's interests at heart and will succeed in getting things moving at last.

Thank you for the words of support.

Agree showing is a good test of character and approaching Laboklin is definitely something to consider, great suggestion.

Normally I'd say that no crossbreeding should go without saying however, given the current situation, I think it needs to be highlighted so that no one is in any doubt as to the clubs position on it.

Taz

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by Tazer

Going back to a point made on the code of ethics, the following are just a few things that came to mind, with regards to breeders. More will probably follo.

That dogs/bitches to be used for breeding have some kind of assessment of their character. Wether that be a specific temperament test created by the club or, that they have to prove thmselves in areas such as obedience, working trials etc.

I agree - but it would have to something readily available and fairly simple so as not to put people off

That breeders have their dog/bitches as a minimum hip scored and dm tested.

That all puppies are dna profiled. I'm also wondering if puppies should have some kind of id e.g microchip before they go to their new homes.

That bitches are a minimum of 2 years old before their first litter. I'm tempted to say the same for studs to...thoughts anyone?

Again agreed - for the Studs also - particularly important in a late maturing breed.

That no bitch will be used for breeding after their 7th birthday.

That no breeder will use their dog/bitch to create mixes.

Then of course there's the obvious stuff like providing food, water, shelter, exercise, vet care and taking back any of the dogs/pups they've bred at anytime, for any reason, if the owner can't/will no longer keep them.

Has that yahoo/fb group been created yet?

Taz

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[Shadowlands]

Just a wee thought...

If you are having to start all this over with the KC, how about going the same way as the US and calling the breed Czechoslovakian Vlcak to distance yourselves from the 'wolf', 'wolfdog' and 'wolf look-alikes' connotations?

[Tazer]

I also prefer Vlcak. Though what is the correct way to say it? Want to make sure I'm getting it right.

Though as I said in a previous post, I don't think they should be grouped with the herding breeds as they are in other countries.

Taz

[Shadowlands]

Here in Bulgaria it is pronounced ''Vulchack'' but the 'u' isn't really pronounced just kinda caught in the back of your throat, if you know what I mean?

I have seen people write that they have heard it pronounced more like ''veal chuck''...

Guess it would be best to find out how it is pronounced in Czech or Slovakian and go with the more authentic sounding name

[AMERICANI]

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Here in Bulgaria it is pronounced ''Vulchack'' but the 'u' isn't really pronounced just kinda caught in the back of your throat, if you know what I mean?

I have seen people write that they have heard it pronounced more like ''veal chuck''...

Guess it would be best to find out how it is pronounced in Czech or Slovakian and go with the more authentic sounding name

I would like to know if we are goofing also! I understand the proper sound (which I can barely make - in the back of my throat), but I don't believe many other Americans do. I posted on my site "Veel-chuck".. I would be glad to change this if it is incorrect!

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by Tazer

I also prefer Vlcak. Though what is the correct way to say it? Want to make sure I'm getting it right.

Though as I said in a previous post, I don't think they should be grouped with the herding breeds as they are in other countries.

Taz

same.. working group all the way for me

ceskoslovensky vlcak is what i would like.

i thought it was said veelchuck but i was speaking to someone the other day and they said it was pronounced more like.. 'vilk'

[hedeon]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

same.. working group all the way for me

ceskoslovensky vlcak is what i would like.

i thought it was said veelchuck but i was speaking to someone the other day and they said it was pronounced more like.. 'vilk'

Vlcak comes from Vlk (wolf). I am not very sure how Slovakians are pronouncing it, but I think it sounds like "vlchaack". "veal chuck" or "veel chuck" sounds more like polish name of that breed "wilczak". I will ask Pavel anyway.

But should it be original "ceskoslovensky" or english "czechoslovakian"?

[Tazer]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

same.. working group all the way for me

ceskoslovensky vlcak is what i would like.

Can you imagine the crufts tv presenters trying to pronounce that.


Taz