Health results (also DM!!) in the Wolfdog.org database

Baz · 06-10-2011, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Admin

There is a project running on the university in Prague who is checking the DM by Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. All you have to do is to send the blood of your dog (EDTA) OR the swabs with DNA material taken from the inner cheek. Send it together with the information of your dog to:

Daniela Čílová
Katedra genetiky a šlechtění
Česká zemědělská univerzita v Praze
Kamýcká 129
165 21 Praha 6 - Suchdol
Czech Republic

and wait for the results.

Especially thanks to this project there is a HUGE improvement if it comes to the DM testing and the possiblity to make DM selection by our breed.

How & who should take the sample? Can I ask my vet to take a sample in Hořovice for example & will the results be considered official?

Rona · 06-10-2011, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Baz

How & who should take the sample? Can I ask my vet to take a sample in Hořovice for example & will the results be considered official?

I took my dog to the vet, asked her to check her chip, take the material with a swab, dry it, put into the envelope prepared earlier with my dog's name & chip no & my e-mail, seal it with a stamp and send to Daniela.

Results of the dog's family immediately verify his/her result, so no cheating is possible just like errors are spotted very soon (see the case of Eury). I had similar doubts when the testing started, but the more dogs are tested, the more the results are reliable.

There are people who belive in miracles and many strange things keep happening in their kennels, which BTW they never bother to explain

but the rest of the results fit the "family pattern" perfectly.

Nebulosa · 06-10-2011, 22:07

Then, if there is an dwarf pup in the litter mean both parents might be carrier of the gene, even if they haven't the official results, will it be published?

mijke · 07-10-2011, 00:54

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Then, if there is an dwarf pup in the litter mean both parents might be carrier of the gene, even if they haven't the official results, will it be published?

Maybe I then can ask all the CsW dwarf owners for permission to publish

Sorry just a joke!

I know owners who did not want to harm the breeder (because he/she is a good one and did have bad luck with the combination) And that was the only reason these owners did not want to share the test info.

Also there are owners with "probably dwarfs" , but I'll never publish this without official test results.
This all is for me a very complicated matter......
Because:

I know some people or clubs in several countries still deny dwarfism is an issue in the breed.......
I know there are more CsW's carrier of this mutation then were ever published.....
I know breeders who have (proven) carriers breed with no tested dogs.....

So sometimes I become very sad about this all...........

Rona · 07-10-2011, 10:51

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Originally Posted by mijke

Maybe I then can ask all the CsW dwarf owners for permission to publish

Sorry just a joke!

Mijke, but the DM results of the majority of dogs can be calculated anyway on the basis of their family members' results.
E.g.if the pups owners of certian litter test their dogs, openly publish the results and in that litter the results are n/n, n/dm, dm/dm it is clear that both parents must be n/dm. So it does not matter if the parents' owner publish the results or not - they just become "visible"

Should DWARF test be cheaper and thus more available and common - the effect would be the same - impossiblity of hiding the results by breeders, (unlike in the case of HD or ED)

Thanks to Daniela's project DM result is no longer a taboo, but becomes a "public" issue.

For me struggling for the secrecy of the DM results is ... suspicious. If somebody claims he breeds transparently he should not try to hide them, even if they are unofficial (provided this is clearly stated!)

CDaniela · 07-10-2011, 11:29

the basic difference between HD, ED and DM:
For dysplasia - we assess (select) phenotype
For degenerative myelopathy - we assess (select) genotype

koboldine · 07-10-2011, 11:40

a scotts-man... great

tapadh leidh, cuideachd sidh!

hm...das ist reflexiv, oder?

Baz · 07-10-2011, 12:44

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Originally Posted by koboldine

a scotts-man... great

tapadh leidh, cuideachd sidh!

hm...das ist reflexiv, oder?

Gälisch, nicht verstehe. Sorry

CDaniela · 06-10-2011, 22:22

I am not afraid of fraud. Breeders want to know true results of their dogs, they want to work with them. Many breeders only tested for their needs without publication.

CDaniela · 06-10-2011, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Baz

How & who should take the sample? Can I ask my vet to take a sample in Hořovice for example & will the results be considered official?

Pokud chcete aby byly vaše výsledky považovány za oficiální, musíte poslat vzorek do některé z akreditovaných laboratoří a samozřejmě ho zaplatit. Pokud vám stačí výsledek neoficiální, přijeďte se psem na jeden z podzimních svodů a bonitací v ČR a nechte ho v rámci výzkumu DM odebrat a otestovat zdarma - s neoficiálním výsledkem.

Baz · 06-10-2011, 22:47

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Originally Posted by CDaniela

Pokud chcete aby byly vaše výsledky považovány za oficiální, musíte poslat vzorek do některé z akreditovaných laboratoří a samozřejmě ho zaplatit. Pokud vám stačí výsledek neoficiální, přijeďte se psem na jeden z podzimních svodů a bonitací v ČR a nechte ho v rámci výzkumu DM odebrat a otestovat zdarma - s neoficiálním výsledkem.

Díky za informace. Je to dobrý nápad, já jsem za Skotska, takže nechci platit

ale chci pomoct, oficiální nebo neoficiální, pro mě to jedno...

michaelundinaeichhorn · 06-10-2011, 23:38

Maybe we should continue in Gaelic

...

koboldine · 06-10-2011, 23:59

*gg* which Gaelic dialect do you prefer: irish, scotish, or welsh?

michaelundinaeichhorn · 07-10-2011, 02:25

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Originally Posted by koboldine

*gg* which Gaelic dialect do you prefer: irish, scotish, or welsh?

Madainn mhath, Koboldine.

In that case probably the Scottish version.

Slán,
Michael

Baz · 07-10-2011, 10:23

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Maybe we should continue in Gaelic

...

Apologies for writing in Czech in the English forum a bit naughty I know, I'm from Scotland but ashamed to say that my Czech is much better than my Gaelic

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Originally Posted by CDaniela

Pokud chcete aby byly vaše výsledky považovány za oficiální, musíte poslat vzorek do některé z akreditovaných laboratoří a samozřejmě ho zaplatit. Pokud vám stačí výsledek neoficiální, přijeďte se psem na jeden z podzimních svodů a bonitací v ČR a nechte ho v rámci výzkumu DM odebrat a otestovat zdarma - s neoficiálním výsledkem.

For those who don't understand Czech, Daniela was saying that it's possible to have your dog tested for free at the Czech club meetings & bonitations this autumn as part of the university study, only the results won't be official. Worth knowing for those of you who are considering travelling.

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Originally Posted by CDaniela

Na českém foru běží diskuze o DM, koukněte tam. Tady by nás brzy všichni sežrali (za češtinu).

Ještě jednou, diky za informace Danielo, tam budu koukat.

Shadowlands · 07-10-2011, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Baz

For those who don't understand Czech, Daniela was saying that it's possible to have your dog tested for free at the Czech club meetings & bonitations this autumn as part of the university study, only the results won't be official. Worth knowing for those of you who are considering travelling.

Does anyone have details of these upcoming meetings (or any in other countries, for that matter)?

Baz · 07-10-2011, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Does anyone have details of these upcoming meetings (or any in other countries, for that matter)?

I've got some details, 15/10 club meeting & bonitations in Frýdlant nad Ostravicí & 22/10 bonitations in Roudnice nad Labem (I will go there), I think they may be the last 2 dates for "free" tests judging by what has been written in the Czech forum on DM, I'll ask Daniela to clarify though.

Baz · 07-10-2011, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Does anyone have details of these upcoming meetings (or any in other countries, for that matter)?

So I've had a look at the calender for the Czech club http://www.cswolfdog.cz/index.php?op...ents&Itemid=54 & it seems that the dates in my previous post will be the last time to take swabs (I'll still check with Daniela though), however if it's just meetings that you're interested in then http://www.cswolfdog.cz/index.php?op...y=17&Itemid=54 might be of interest to you as well. You can try using the translate button at the side of the page, it doesn't do a great job into English but you should get the drift. Here in Czech it's traditional to eat carp as the Christmas meal & every year there is an event with Mr Karel Hartl, for more details contact Lenka, I'm pretty sure that she speaks English & her user name is Marianka W.

CDaniela · 07-10-2011, 08:41

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Originally Posted by Baz

Díky za informace. Je to dobrý nápad, já jsem za Skotska, takže nechci platit

ale chci pomoct, oficiální nebo neoficiální, pro mě to jedno...

Na českém foru běží diskuze o DM, koukněte tam. Tady by nás brzy všichni sežrali (za češtinu).

Baz · 07-10-2011, 13:05

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Originally Posted by CDaniela

Pokud chcete aby byly vaše výsledky považovány za oficiální, musíte poslat vzorek do některé z akreditovaných laboratoří a samozřejmě ho zaplatit. Pokud vám stačí výsledek neoficiální, přijeďte se psem na jeden z podzimních svodů a bonitací v ČR a nechte ho v rámci výzkumu DM odebrat a otestovat zdarma - s neoficiálním výsledkem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz

For those who don't understand Czech, Daniela was saying that it's possible to have your dog tested for free at the Czech club meetings & bonitations this autumn as part of the university study, only the results won't be official. Worth knowing for those of you who are considering travelling.

It seems perhaps that due to funding reasons, Daniela is primarily interested in Czech dogs (ie dogs resident in the Czech Republic), so I'm not sure if my earlier advice to come to one of the meetings was a great idea. I think the same maybe applies to postal samples too. Daniela can you clarify your position for us please?

06-10-2011, 22:07	#3
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Then, if there is an dwarf pup in the litter mean both parents might be carrier of the gene, even if they haven't the official results, will it be published? __________________

07-10-2011, 11:29	#6
CDaniela http://www.srdcervac.wbs. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Unhošť - Nouzov Posts: 1,313	the basic difference between HD, ED and DM: For dysplasia - we assess (select) phenotype For degenerative myelopathy - we assess (select) genotype __________________ Daniela

07-10-2011, 11:40	#7
koboldine Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 472	a scotts-man... great tapadh leidh, cuideachd sidh! hm...das ist reflexiv, oder? __________________ Kein Mensch darf mir meine Schwächen so deutlich zeigen, wie meine (Wolfs-)Hunde es tun.

06-10-2011, 22:22	#9
CDaniela http://www.srdcervac.wbs. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Unhošť - Nouzov Posts: 1,313	I am not afraid of fraud. Breeders want to know true results of their dogs, they want to work with them. Many breeders only tested for their needs without publication. __________________ Daniela

06-10-2011, 23:38	#12
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Maybe we should continue in Gaelic...

06-10-2011, 23:59	#13
koboldine Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 472	gg which Gaelic dialect do you prefer: irish, scotish, or welsh? __________________ Kein Mensch darf mir meine Schwächen so deutlich zeigen, wie meine (Wolfs-)Hunde es tun.