Demoniak de la Louve Blanche

wolfin · 15-03-2012, 11:38

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Originally Posted by koomak

All judges have to give an excellent Diamond, so this dog is perfect in the standard. . .
:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

past a IPO

all alraund give for all dog great opinion, when want judge in next show too

I work in this, to much good know who is in dog show. for this and is funny this his CH

wolfin · 15-03-2012, 11:41

this dog too all time have ONLY excelent results in dog show and are a CH.

)))
now see - dog show results is NOTHING

sylvie:)samira:) · 15-03-2012, 11:50

I know Sophie and she does not take the puppies to Doz, for money. !!!
but you're crazy!??!!
you are really bad to say what!!really!you do not know her!!

wolfin · 15-03-2012, 12:24

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Originally Posted by sylvie:)samira:)

I know Sophie and she does not take the puppies to Doz, for money. !!!
but you're crazy!??!!
you are really bad to say what!!really!you do not know her!!

I not am crazy, I not mas know she personality, when shes WORK speak about she in the best way. breeding atypical animals with falsh pedigree. Not important sale she or not- I not disput about this, only about falsificate and breed destroing for stupid ambition, not moore.

sylvie:)samira:) · 15-03-2012, 13:20

Daiva, I do not speak of the mix or not mix! Stardard or not standard...
I speak that you can not afford to judge, a person who does not know!
She loves her dogs...and where the puppies go to stay
so say whatever you want
but she did not do it for money!

this is not right.
If you want to speak ill of her, do it when you know very well, things and people!!
I close the conversation

wolfin · 15-03-2012, 13:35

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Originally Posted by sylvie:)samira:)

She loves her dogs...and where the puppies go to stay
so say whatever you want
but she did not do it for money!

This is what it is doing? in order to better for CSV breed? this is JOKE?

There are two evils in the world and one of them is foolish ambition. they kill more breed than the desire for money. if she loves dogs, and breed puppies who called they a breed name, which are not named? Well can simply give them as mixes what they call the CSV.

koomak · 15-03-2012, 14:06

Wolfin,
Ok, thank you for the way I work. I just love my dogs, I want the best for them, I do not want to see my babies abandoned. I will not stand, so I try to choose the perfect owners. And they have tests MD, radios. .
For false papers, we dont know they are false. . .
I am not responsible for the old generations.
ME I m doing DNA testing of my babies with their parents! !!
And everyone must continue to test their babies now! and there will no more problems.

NOW 2012, When a person buy a baby, she must ask parents tests

and all will be well for the future of the breed! !!!!!!!!!!

hanninadina · 15-03-2012, 14:24

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...4&postcount=40

Margo there are always ways of exception. And the maine thing is that Demoniak is a pure csw. Was Rep a dog? All wolfdogs are dogs, guess you know that.

None of your links work... This advertise from 2005 I do remember very well where Franky took pictures from american wolfdogs or even pure wolves to promote one of his first litters.

z Peronówki · 15-03-2012, 22:37

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

Margo there are always ways of exception.

Yes, but this right have ONLY clubs from the countries of origin - people who created this breed. NOBODY else. Frank can not change it - it is not his property.
Or better: Czech and Slovakian breeders created a breed. What some French breeders do is a forgery. Some kind of "Mercedes made in China" - it seems to be the same but it is not.

BTW Christian, I can really imagine the war which would start if for example Czech breeders will start to change the standard of French Berger de Brie....

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

And the maine thing is that Demoniak is a pure csw.

No, he is not. His puppies are EXTEMLY untypical. Not ven one is similar to a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. He can be registered as pure Saarloos because his offsprings a very similar to dogs of this breed.

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Originally Posted by hanninadina

This advertise from 2005 I do remember very well where Franky took pictures from american wolfdogs or even pure wolves to promote one of his first litters.

Christian, look on the facts: friends of Frank (and he also) have American Wolfdogs. He is advertising his litters with photos of American Wolfdogs. Surprisingly his dogs are starting to look like those crosses....

And there are more and more atypical dogs appearing there.

We have two solutions:
The French land is contaminated with radioactive waste and the dogs are mutating there very fast....

(the question is only: why only Franks dog are mutating?

) OR somebody is cheating with the pedigrees....

koomak · 15-03-2012, 14:26

Thank you Sylvie, it makes me very happy :-) :-)

Daiva knows me a little I think. .

Now I think it is useless to continue this conversation, it will lead to no solution. . .

I think we all will be a Reggio Emilia. .
So see you soon Margo, see you soon Daiva. . . .

Sylvie kiss <3

z Peronówki · 15-03-2012, 22:38

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Originally Posted by koomak

I think we all will be a Reggio Emilia. .
So see you soon Margo, see you soon Daiva. . . .

Wait - what is in Reggio? I heard about European CsW Show. But it seems it will be "Csw, crosses and mixes show"....

wolfin · 15-03-2012, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by koomak

I just love my dogs, I want the best for them, I do not want to see my babies abandoned

Gosh I think people who mate dogs for healty die

Quote:

NOW 2012, When a person buy a baby, she must ask parents tests
and all will be well for the future of the breed! !!!!!!!!!!

future with a falsificate documents and blood?

Quote:

I think we all will be a Reggio Emilia. .
So see you soon Margo, see you soon Daiva. . . .

I think not

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http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...4&postcount=40

Margo there are always ways of exception. And the maine thing is that Demoniak is a pure csw

eee you joke, pure in who? in pedigree- yes in this paper he is pure. in reality? I think not ( and not I alone)

hanninadina · 15-03-2012, 22:39

Daiva, Demoniak is a pure csw! He is more pure than any other living csw, because he is much more close to a carpathian wolf than any other csw. Very simple.

No one needs a csw who is able to pass IPO exams! We do not need aggressiv forward going like to use their teeth csw. We need simply pet wolfdogs who are family dogs and can stay in the house with the people and do not need to put in kennels.

And it makes me smile remembering that you have one of the last F 5 csw..., so why do you have him? Does he have IPO? I remember at Margos place this poor dog, leashed at a tree, being afraid of all the people around. You do not had an eye for the need of your dog! That is a real shame.

I wrote it several times, with people like you there would be no csw breed! Karel Hartl was an open minded person who tried a new thing - new after Mr. Saarloos.

Morian · 15-03-2012, 11:56

we can easily find some (even!) euro or world winners which barely meet the standard. why? becuse 99% of judges have no time to read standards of rare breeds, because populations in different countries are very different too, because even a really defective dog can be shown perfectly, because, becuse, just becuse, and we all understand it, every person which was at list at one show. i can bring pure wolf/saarlos/f1/anything into csv ring and get exellent, but it will not mean that the beast i brang is csv.

15-03-2012, 11:41	#2
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	this dog too all time have ONLY excelent results in dog show and are a CH. ))) now see - dog show results is NOTHING __________________

15-03-2012, 14:06	#7
koomak ? Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Valenciennes (59) Posts: 1,160	Wolfin, Ok, thank you for the way I work. I just love my dogs, I want the best for them, I do not want to see my babies abandoned. I will not stand, so I try to choose the perfect owners. And they have tests MD, radios. . For false papers, we dont know they are false. . . I am not responsible for the old generations. ME I m doing DNA testing of my babies with their parents! !! And everyone must continue to test their babies now! and there will no more problems. NOW 2012, When a person buy a baby, she must ask parents tests and all will be well for the future of the breed! !!!!!!!!!! __________________ AMITIES DE KOUMAK, DEMONIAK DIAMOND, DREAM SHAWAK, DÔZ, GRAAL, APACHE, PARYSSE ET SOPHIE Last edited by koomak; 15-03-2012 at 14:10.

15-03-2012, 14:26	#10
koomak ? Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Valenciennes (59) Posts: 1,160	Thank you Sylvie, it makes me very happy :-) :-) Daiva knows me a little I think. . Now I think it is useless to continue this conversation, it will lead to no solution. . . I think we all will be a Reggio Emilia. . So see you soon Margo, see you soon Daiva. . . . Sylvie kiss <3 __________________ AMITIES DE KOUMAK, DEMONIAK DIAMOND, DREAM SHAWAK, DÔZ, GRAAL, APACHE, PARYSSE ET SOPHIE

15-03-2012, 11:56	#14
Morian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USSR Posts: 2,047	we can easily find some (even!) euro or world winners which barely meet the standard. why? becuse 99% of judges have no time to read standards of rare breeds, because populations in different countries are very different too, because even a really defective dog can be shown perfectly, because, becuse, just becuse, and we all understand it, every person which was at list at one show. i can bring pure wolf/saarlos/f1/anything into csv ring and get exellent, but it will not mean that the beast i brang is csv. __________________

15-03-2012, 11:50	#3
sylvie:)samira:) Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 200	I know Sophie and she does not take the puppies to Doz, for money. !!! but you're crazy!??!! you are really bad to say what!!really!you do not know her!!

15-03-2012, 13:20	#5
sylvie:)samira:) Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 200	Daiva, I do not speak of the mix or not mix! Stardard or not standard... I speak that you can not afford to judge, a person who does not know! She loves her dogs...and where the puppies go to stay so say whatever you want but she did not do it for money! this is not right. If you want to speak ill of her, do it when you know very well, things and people!! I close the conversation

15-03-2012, 14:24	#8
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...4&postcount=40 Margo there are always ways of exception. And the maine thing is that Demoniak is a pure csw. Was Rep a dog? All wolfdogs are dogs, guess you know that. None of your links work... This advertise from 2005 I do remember very well where Franky took pictures from american wolfdogs or even pure wolves to promote one of his first litters.

15-03-2012, 22:39	#13
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Daiva, Demoniak is a pure csw! He is more pure than any other living csw, because he is much more close to a carpathian wolf than any other csw. Very simple. No one needs a csw who is able to pass IPO exams! We do not need aggressiv forward going like to use their teeth csw. We need simply pet wolfdogs who are family dogs and can stay in the house with the people and do not need to put in kennels. And it makes me smile remembering that you have one of the last F 5 csw..., so why do you have him? Does he have IPO? I remember at Margos place this poor dog, leashed at a tree, being afraid of all the people around. You do not had an eye for the need of your dog! That is a real shame. I wrote it several times, with people like you there would be no csw breed! Karel Hartl was an open minded person who tried a new thing - new after Mr. Saarloos.