Wolf Dogs Being Crossed in the UK

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by Butterfly

There are kennels in the UK who claim to have Saarloos (and I have heard CWD) and they cross them with my chosen breed. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this? Personally I think the Wolfdogs should be left as they are, as should my breed, I see no reason to cross the dogs.

My 2ct : Neven cross breed the Czw and Saarloos. Keep the bloodlines pure, do not make them into bastards. These 2 breeds are totally different dogs. Looks maybe somewhat the same, but characters are very different. I like my dogs with the typical Czw face, small ears, more lively and spontanious. The breeders have worked for decades to create these great dogs as they are, so anyone the messes things up should not be called a thouroughbred breeder, but an amature!

[Mikael]

Cs Wolfdog is a working dog, Saarloos is not, I can se the problem in the UK, where the breeds are half baned and x-crossings are not...

But I do not think mixing Cs Wolfdog and Saarloos will do the Cs Wolfdog good. but maby it will do the Saarloos a better and more healthy breed...

The mix however might bee a good dog, but not necessarily...

Regards / Mikael

[Butterfly]

Thanks for your input.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Cs Wolfdog is a working dog, Saarloos is not, I can se the problem in the UK, where the breeds are half baned and x-crossings are not...

But I do not think mixing Cs Wolfdog and Saarloos will do the Cs Wolfdog good. but maby it will do the Saarloos a better and more healthy breed...

The mix however might bee a good dog, but not necessarily...

Regards / Mikael

hi the law in uk has been changed after 6 yrs hard slog with defra here is link to new law, you will see CvS is legal dog in uk. http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-cou...waa/hybrid.htm
there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS with any other breed of dog inc saarloos, both breeds are good dogs within there own rights and cross breeding them serves no purpose at all, there are enough cross breds and to a more serious point there are enough cross breds who have been registered in Europe and have pedigree papers,,,,,,,,, and with major health problems, it has mostly affected the saarloos breed but when i look at some CVS that have appeared recently in posts then it looks like some have made it to pedigree status as well,,, sad but true, i have seen some CVS cross in uk and europe and they are beautiful dogs but thats as far as it should go, people trying to register such dogs as pure breds and trying to get pedigrees for such should be banned from breeding. pacino uk

[bengan]

Originally Posted by solowolf

there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS with any other breed of dog inc saarloos, both breeds are good dogs within there own rights and cross breeding them serves no purpose at all, pacino uk

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by bengan

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

oh no not you again ///// now your personal vendetta against me is going on... and as you dont own any CVS and your interest is in the Saarloos, and you live in northern Holland,,,,, are you on the correct web site? or are you infact not friend of Mrs C.Keizers ??? i have just looked at all your posts, Glad i didnt trust you with the CD thats for sure, as they are all set out to make little of me and breeders in u.k., you read correct i have never and will never cross any of my CVS with any other breed of DOG,,, so how am i being contradictory? you do understand english? look up contradictory,, maybe your vendetta is because what i and friends from the RADD do to certain saarloos dogs bred in France? anyway no doubt i will get another silly reply, feel free your giving us a good laugh in u.k. if nothing else,,,,,,,,,,pacino

[bengan]

Originally Posted by solowolf

oh no not you again ///// now your personal vendetta against me is going on... and as you dont own any CVS and your interest is in the Saarloos, and you live in northern Holland,,,,, are you on the correct web site? or are you infact not friend of Mrs C.Keizers ??? i have just looked at all your posts, Glad i didnt trust you with the CD thats for sure, as they are all set out to make little of me and breeders in u.k., you read correct i have never and will never cross any of my CVS with any other breed of DOG,,, so how am i being contradictory? you do understand english? look up contradictory,, maybe your vendetta is because what i and friends from the RADD do to certain saarloos dogs bred in France? anyway no doubt i will get another silly reply, feel free your giving us a good laugh in u.k. if nothing else,,,,,,,,,,pacino

First of all ... All I've done was question your statements.. the ones you made here...so these is the place to post questions.. questions that you have never answered.. and for Mrs Keizer... most people in the wolfdog world know or know of her.. she is not however on my Christmas card list..

my English is not bad...here a definition for you...
Crossbreed..."offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties or breeds or species." so crossing a CVS with anything other then an other CVS, say a wolf, would be a crossbreed.. hence.. your contradiction in statements.."there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS" your words... and yet per definition you have crossbred the CVS

I'm glad you are laughing.... and you are not alone....

Bengan

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by bengan

First of all ... All I've done was question your statements.. the ones you made here...so these is the place to post questions.. questions that you have never answered.. and for Mrs Keizer... most people in the wolfdog world know or know of her.. she is not however on my Christmas card list..

my English is not bad...here a definition for you...
Crossbreed..."offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties or breeds or species." so crossing a CVS with anything other then an other CVS, say a wolf, would be a crossbreed.. hence.. your contradiction in statements.."there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS" your words... and yet per definition you have crossbred the CVS

I'm glad you are laughing.... and you are not alone....

Bengan

did one of the breed clubs in Europe breed CVS to wolf? did they register pups? ask them /

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by bengan

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

hey you have seen photos on my web site, good healthy, fit, well fed dogs, want to see some of the cross breeds from France and some of the effects cross breeding has just click this link and be my guest
http://www.saarlooswolfhonden.nl/index2.html with this type of thing happening to what you state MY INTERESTS the SAARLOOS WOLFHOUND dont you think your time would be better spent trying to stop this.......... its not my breed but i can assure you i will put stop to this, p.s. most of these dogs are registered as pure Saarloos,,,,,,pacino