Italian bonitations

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by woland77

Similar?...group section is similar??? In Slovak bonitation in Heigenbrucken no group test, other bonitation that i've seen group section for 1 minutes...never group closed the dog like on video..

I see You not know who is real character test and training test
ok italian know all better poore lithuania going out

[woland77]

Originally Posted by wolfin

I see You not know who is real character test and training test
ok italian know all better poore lithuania going out

You have said "is very similar"! Why you say is very similar if you know than one is a character test and one is a training test?

[wolfin]

Sorry I not have time for You
"Pirma, jei stebetum, kaip vyksta testas, jis yra panasus i normalia bonitacija, o ejimas zmoniu grupeje, tai tik geros dresuros rodiklis, kodel manot, reikalaujama ZTP islaikyti bent minimalaus paklusnumo egzamina, pagrindinis skirtumas yra rankove bei kandimas. Bet kiek minetu ir demonstruotu jusu sunu tai atliktu, atsiprasau, bet su geru figurantu ir bailus suo padarys ataka, tai uztenka pamatyt bet kurioje dresuros stovykloje. Tad ir toliau tvirtinsiu, kad jusu testas tai tik grazus manevras pademonstruoti ismokta pamoka ty ataka. Taciau kadangi ner noro tai suvokti, o tik pasipuikavimas savo pseudo ziniomis, man telieka atsitraukti "

this same method
Wolland You thinik I am stupid, sorry, but people who have moore brain understand who I and others wish say, only You and italian groupe not sorry I have moore interesing work, not bite like idiot with You.
regards

OFF this all post, but - I not understand why this member wish make. Have normal diskusion or make joke and playing in forum. If shange bonitation test this make CZ with Sk clubs not others like italian or others. You cann this understand or not

[Navarre]

I think there is a little misunderstanding...I know my english is very very bad, but Daiva, your Lithuanenglish is terrible !
Is very difficult to understand you.

THe ZTP is the same in all country, did you propose ZTP in change of bonitace for selection of csw ? Right ?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Navarre

I think there is a little misunderstanding...I know my english is very very bad, but Daiva, your Lithuanenglish is terrible !
Is very difficult to understand you.

THe ZTP is the same in all country, did you propose ZTP in change of bonitace for selection of csw ? Right ?

this same- i not understand italian
not I but your kolega from Italian for my is very good old bonitation SK test

[woland77]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Sorry I not have time for You
"Pirma, jei stebetum, kaip vyksta testas, jis yra panasus i normalia bonitacija, o ejimas zmoniu grupeje, tai tik geros dresuros rodiklis, kodel manot, reikalaujama ZTP islaikyti bent minimalaus paklusnumo egzamina, pagrindinis skirtumas yra rankove bei kandimas. Bet kiek minetu ir demonstruotu jusu sunu tai atliktu, atsiprasau, bet su geru figurantu ir bailus suo padarys ataka, tai uztenka pamatyt bet kurioje dresuros stovykloje. Tad ir toliau tvirtinsiu, kad jusu testas tai tik grazus manevras pademonstruoti ismokta pamoka ty ataka. Taciau kadangi ner noro tai suvokti, o tik pasipuikavimas savo pseudo ziniomis, man telieka atsitraukti "

this same method
Wolland You thinik I am stupid, sorry, but people who have moore brain understand who I and others wish say, only You and italian groupe not sorry I have moore interesing work, not bite like idiot with You.
regards

OFF this all post, but - I not understand why this member wish make. Have normal diskusion or make joke and playing in forum. If shange bonitation test this make CZ with Sk clubs not others like italian or others. You cann this understand or not

All people with brain know than character bonitation codes (all bonitation) are empty and totally useless, and this is clear on the result about a character selection that are stop at same point! Nobody uses the codes for the choice stud. In all country we have shy dog, diffident dog, balanced dog, agressive dog, a few real work dog...people ever talk about work breed, i'm agree but with this selection CZW never will be a real work dog... i talk about this, you want only discredit italian bonitation, italian people, and other too, we remember your crousade against other people, other dog, other breeder...Good work Daiva!

[saschia]

Originally Posted by woland77

All people with brain know than character bonitation codes (all bonitation) are empty and totally useless, and this is clear on the result about a character selection that are stop at same point!

Sorry, woland, I cannot agree with you here... It is true that the test is not perfect, and that even if the code would really reflect the character of the stud it still does not say what is genetic and what is due to upbringing and training, but still, if I like a dog and it's code is Ob, I really think before using it (and I did, but only after consulting with the judge who bonitated it, and considering the character of the rest of the dog's family which I know).

The character test as used today is simple enough and doesn't take so much time, and it still tells us at least something about the dog's character.

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by saschia

The character test as used today is simple enough and doesn't take so much time, and it still tells us at least something about the dog's character.

I am completely agreement, that is Monika Soukupova for my female (Od) where Daiva Rimaityte for my male (Of), I am completely agreement with the judgement of the test of character. The test of character of the bonitation is completely adapted!!!

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by woland77

a few real work dog...people ever talk about work breed, i'm agree but with this selection CZW never will be a real work dog...

Its depend what you call working, all my dogs are working dogs because I use then for work in many ways, but still I never had pass in a working test with then, because in 2 years we had only 2 working tests in my state, and I was not here for make my dogs pass when it happened, so I have no way to proof it officially.
I have 3 wolfdogs comes from 3 very different breeders, and all from very diferent lines, and I can assure you that my 3 dogs are amazing working dogs, in truth, one of the most versatile breed I ever meet in my life!
I'm not talking here about sports, where you can even make a fake title of IPO making the test in your own garden, or training the dog for bite the glove nicelly, maybe making the dog bite their "own glove" or make defence with their "own helpler" I'm talking here about WORKIG, it means that if my dogs failed, probably I will pay this fail with my life.
I had some oportunities to see my wolfdogs in action, and it was simply amazing, I saw VERY equilibrate dogs, which know how to react, and have body strong enough and able to do what they need.
CzW is a real working dog, but don't wait of him a nice sport dog, so, two different things.

Character test of bonitation, Slovak, Czech, independent of where it is, only select the extreme cases, and its already ok, better than nothing.

[woland77]

Originally Posted by saschia

Sorry, woland, I cannot agree with you here... It is true that the test is not perfect, and that even if the code would really reflect the character of the stud it still does not say what is genetic and what is due to upbringing and training, but still, if I like a dog and it's code is Ob, I really think before using it (and I did, but only after consulting with the judge who bonitated it, and considering the character of the rest of the dog's family which I know).

I can agree with you Saschia, Ob is a extreme code, surely we can't say than Ob dog maybe is balanced or good natured but, when we have a Of dog (optimistic, weel balanced), can be very very different than other Of dog. Of code i think is the code for the dog's with maximum attitude to work. Normally if you select for generation Of code dog's, you will establish optimal genetic heritage for work dog...We know this is not realy on Czw!

The character test as used today is simple enough and doesn't take so much time, and it still tells us at least something about the dog's character.

I agree, tell us somethings about the dog...but somethinghs about phenotype..If you want the code have mean in terms of selection, genetic and improvement attitude (this last the most importanto to create a "memory of breed") must be much better...with this thinks i've said bonitation code is empty...