Typical temperament of CsWs

[jasmine]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

NO, I'm really not....

A dog with IPO is an agressive dog? CsW protecting the house or working as watch dog - is it an agressive dog? Is dominant dog an agressive dog?

Did I write these??? Show me where!!!

But activity , fearless etc is not equal dominancy....and also not equal with agressivity, such as dominancy is not equal agressivity also.
Moreover as csw is a tipical pack dog, they accept the pack rules.....so the position in the pack is depending on behaviour and the opposit.

And I also don't want to wrote my oppinion about working dogs.........just only one thing : if you work with malinois or gsd you surely don't want to work with csw !!!!

[Morian]

Originally Posted by jasmine

just only one thing : if you work with malinois or gsd you surely don't want to work with csw !!!!

...if you are lazy and look for more simple ways
csv is not limited in its possibilities, but we have to "give" more to get more from csv. it explains all. imho of course i don't work with my wolfdogs (i mean professional level), but i see their abilities
and the most sad thing is that many lazy breeders (lazy to train, lazy to select by temperament - or just saving their money) proclaim this as a norm...

[jasmine]

ok...than write about this, just after you made IPO exam with your dogs
I did...with csw and also with other breed...so I know what I'm talking about !

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[Morian]

i know some dogs which are not controlable, not stable etc. but they have ipo diplomas and we don't speak about concrete dogs, but about our breed. and about very bad trends in breeding and not only...

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by jasmine

But activity , fearless etc is not equal dominancy....and also not equal with agressivity, such as dominancy is not equal agressivity also.

The pack behaviour of dogs base on dominancy. Dominancy is connected with agression (or better said with different kinds of agression). Two fighting males are not "agressive dogs" but dogs which behave like...DOGS.
Males growling on other males in the ring are normal. Dog not tolerating dogs from other "packs" are normal too....

Sorry, but I read too many accusations on this forum "because you have an agressive dog"... People with unusual dogs attack people which have dog which show really typical CzW character...
I would not say that 'unusual' dogs have always 'untypical' character - but "the exception proves the rule"...

Originally Posted by jasmine

Moreover as csw is a typical pack dog, they accept the pack rules.....so the position in the pack is depending on behaviour and the opposit.

Yes. I agree. But the pack behaviour apply only to pack members - not to other dogs. Additionally - in many cases people do not keep to the rules what can cause problems. But PEOPLE and not DOGS are responsible in such cases...

Originally Posted by jasmine

And I also don't want to wrote my oppinion about working dogs.........just only one thing : if you work with malinois or gsd you surely don't want to work with csw !!!!

I was working with gsds - I owned them for years. Even now there are many of them on our obedience courses... No - I don't want to train with them. I know their advantages very well - but I will never own any malinois or GSD because they do not have the advantages which CsW have... Malinois are perfect working dogs but CzWs are MUCH MORE inteligent... And it is something which is I value a lot...

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

The pack behaviour of dogs base on dominancy. Dominancy is connected with agression (or better said with different kinds of agression). Two fighting males are not "agressive dogs" but dogs which behave like...DOGS.

This is not right as a pack in the biological sense is a family consisting of two parents and their offspring every other group is just a group, not a pack. In a pack Dominance is not automatically connected with aggression.
Two fighting males might be behaving like dogs but this will depent on how the fight started.

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Males growling on other males in the ring are normal. Dog not tolerating dogs from other "packs" are normal too....

This is if anything territorial aggression, not dominance but if the owner is not able to control this behaviour in the ring, this might be due to his rank order problems with his dog - though normally this is only bad training and/or owners that like to show of.

As long as every kind of motivation will get mixed up it will not be possible to name the new character problem.
The indifference you described, if I did understand you properly, is something normally caused by lack of self confidence that has been trained of. The dog learned how to manage those situations.
It is different to the lack of interest many adult wolfdogs show to social interaction with strangers if they don´t provide treats or being petted.

Ina

[jefta]

Originally Posted by jasmine

There are several exams

Yes->obedience, defence, police work, tracking, rescue, agillty, coursing, pulling, dog dancing, frisbee,... but where are csv in them? Few in basic classes?


Ones more. What type of working dog is csv?