Typical temperament of CsWs

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by jasmine

And ooopsz: beside of Borko were chickens and also cats.....and he was never agressive with foreigners.

I will not list the stories... I can say only one: Borko was a very typical male with very typical CzW behaviour...

Far away from being a pug....

[jasmine]

[quote=Margo;339866] I will not list the stories... I can say only one: Borko was a very typical male with very typical CzW behaviour...


I have never told the opposit...........

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Far away from being a pug....

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

And slow and lazy like pekinesse

As Margo keeps insulting other breeds I want to say something from my little experiences...
I was allways a little worried about Brukne's behavior - she never shows any agressiveness towards people (unless they are agressive towards me, not her ), but she is really not too good with other females (except her sister Walmaj and Callisto z Peronowki ) and young males I used to think, that I've mist something in her education... BUT. When I started to create a TV show about dogs, I had a possibility to spend time with breeders of various breeds every week. Known breeders in Lithuania and other countries. Experienced ones. Believe me, that was a release! Pekinesses were trying to kiss me (10 of them at once), but after 5 minuts two males were trying to kill each other!!! Breeder had to make a good work to tear them apart! Chihuahua males - just the same! Breeder of Great Danes said "I can take a male and one of the females - females can not be kept together in one car or outside!) White swiss shepherds - females live apart from each other in one home My friend, breeding German shepherds, said "oh my female just bite my face" as this is a totally normal thing And many other examples

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

As Margo keeps insulting other breeds

Take is as: or or

I love also other breeds. I LOVE pugs - I have always a lot of fun with them... I like them since one of them terrorized Bolton - I never met such "insolent" young lady... I love GSD - I had them for years and they still own part of my heart. I love malinois - if I would not have CzW I would own one of them... I like pekinese - I owned a peke-mix many years ago. HE was a dominant dog - more dominant than caucasian ovtscharka owned by my friends...
There are many really great breeds.... But there is always something what gives the reason to "insult" them.... (even if it works in both sides )

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

I was allways a little worried about Brukne's behavior - she never shows any agressiveness towards people (unless they are agressive towards me, not her ), but she is really not too good with other females (except her sister Walmaj and Callisto z Peronowki ) and young males I used to think, that I've mist something in her education... BUT. When I started to create a TV show about dogs, I had a possibility to spend time with breeders of various breeds every week. Known breeders in Lithuania and other countries. Experienced ones. Believe me, that was a release! Pekinesses were trying to kiss me (10 of them at once), but after 5 minuts two males were trying to kill each other!!! Breeder had to make a good work to tear them apart! Chihuahua males - just the same! Breeder of Great Danes said "I can take a male and one of the females - females can not be kept together in one car or outside!) White swiss shepherds - females live apart from each other in one home My friend, breeding German shepherds, said "oh my female just bite my face" as this is a totally normal thing And many other examples

Exactly!! Not a long time ago there was a pretty famous case of two yorkshire females which killed a miniature poodle female...

But it is nothing - now the "top" breeds in PL are yorkshire terriers... You really can not imagine how many people come to our kennel club asking for advice because the yorks are terrorizing their families: bitting children, guests or attacking other dogs... The most agressive dogs which I meet on dog shows are... labradors... It is much more "dangerous" by their ring than by amstaffs...

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Jasmine

ohhhhh so where were the eyes' of the judges when put him in the firts place several times...several times!!!!

In the same place as when they started to give preferences to Bulldogs without nose which today are unable to walk over one quarter without faint, to German Shepherds with over angulation and serious top line problems which today moves like a frog in the ring, to Brazilian Mastiffs with atipical character which today fear people instead of be a good guardian dog, and all that because them it looks nicer and that's why right.

After "Pedigree dogs" I think every breeder should think twice before try to use the dogshow titles as merit and proof of quality because now lay people also got informed about what's happening at the dogshows.

For CzW it's even more sad, because often what the judges are seeking for and considering as correct is completly different of what the standard ask for.

It's unbelievable that there are still breeders which give value to show titles and even select their studs taking the titles as basis.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

For CzW it's even more sad, because often what the judges are seeking for and considering as correct is completly different of what the standard ask for.

One of the most winning wolfdogs in the last time in PL is a brown german shepherd - totally overangulated male is VERY sloping top line, moving like GSD from show line. He is very titled dog who won a lot not only in our country...

At the same dog shows typical CzWs get descriptions: dog with "too long legs", "not enough angulated" with "too short tails"... And of course with too small chest....

If the CzW breeders would pay attention to the shows results the CzW would already share the fate of Germans Shepherds which changed from such dogs:



to such .... dogs(?)

[jefta]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

nice malinois As I repeat from time to time that breed creators made big mistake when the use gsd no malinois

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by jefta

nice malinois As I repeat from time to time that breed creators made big mistake when the use gsd no malinois

i think this are.... old GSD not malinois

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

For CzW it's even more sad, because often what the judges are seeking for and considering as correct is completly different of what the standard ask for.

And the sadest thing is when they like the "wolfish" character I've heard some very experienced cynologists saying, that YES, it is normal for CzW to be afraid of people

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

In the same place as when they started to give preferences to Bulldogs without nose which today are unable to walk over one quarter without faint, to German Shepherds with over angulation and serious top line problems which today moves like a frog in the ring, to Brazilian Mastiffs with atipical character which today fear people instead of be a good guardian dog, and all that because them it looks nicer and that's why right.

After "Pedigree dogs" I think every breeder should think twice before try to use the dogshow titles as merit and proof of quality because now lay people also got informed about what's happening at the dogshows.

For CzW it's even more sad, because often what the judges are seeking for and considering as correct is completly different of what the standard ask for.

It's unbelievable that there are still breeders which give value to show titles and even select their studs taking the titles as basis.

Agree, agree and agree This is a WORKING BREED NOT A SHOW BREED !!!

Best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

I like GSD like this one >>> http://www.ruffgsd.com/Images/Puppie...306/ester2.jpg

This one is from Czech Republic line... Maybee there is still some hope for the GSD breed after all ?

Best regards / M

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Mikael

I like GSD like this one >>> http://www.ruffgsd.com/Images/Puppie...306/ester2.jpg

This one is from Czech Republic line... Maybee there is still some hope for the GSD breed after all ?

Best regards / M

hmm and this have moore strong angulation like new GSD. I know old GSD type dogs with normal angulation and temperament and charakter... cuute



this are slovak dogs, who work in policie and others systems.

[woland77]

It 'difficult to talk about behavior without an appropriate terminology in english, but i try.

Working dog must have a good hardening, not so strong, and not low.This hardness makes it possible to address the difficulties and maintain balance during stress. This feature is not synonymous with dominance.

Dog with good hardening, and high temperament (like a CZW) is not a simple dog to keep. Many time is a competitive dog, with other dog, but if well balanced is dog under controle; but if trained this dog can work (research work, not sport) free with other dog of the same sex (i have seen this on Czw too), because when he work, thinking only to work. This is strong dog. Not all handable, with good socialization dog have good hardening to be a work dog. For me is good if a CZW have good socialization, open caracter, handable...but is not sufficient. I want good hardening, and active temperament (fast reaction) too...work dog need this.


The great value of Utility & Defense discipline is not the test, ia not the sport, the score at day of competition. Training to IPO sequence (on cooperativity style) is most complete system to seen all natural features of caracter, he ability to overcome and develop into a situational stress, all related to the degree of cooperativity to the man. CZW never will be a god dog for IPO competion, i don't want this, but Utility & Denfense is a precious instrument for make real caracter selection, to workdog caracter.