Mixes with falsed pedigrees by de la Louve Blanche

admin · 13-06-2011, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Lorry - MLS

(sinon on ne peut pas se permettre d'affirmer qu'on est sûr à 100 % .... vous êtes d'accord ?)

I will say it more clear:
The American Wolfdog covered the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Ossa Crying Wolf. The puppies are born. And registered as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in France. The owner of the American Wolfdog was informed that (az least) Ckinay and CPouschka are the puppies of Unca. He is very proud that his son is winning so much. Even more of CPouchka because she is looking exactly like the young Unca.

DNA test? You know it make no sence to ask me for it. NO. It is not DONE. I ask you and your kennel club do to this. You know we have no right to break in to a house of somebody and steal the blood.
BUT the kennel club have to keep to the FCI rules. And I'm sure the SCC will solve it as he for sure do no want to have cheated pedigrees.

BTW: I really do not understand your problem - why so many people here want to hide the true? Is it so hard to make a breeding commission, take officially the DNA from both parents and CPouschka and to test it (anyway do not ask the breeder fortaking the blood and for making the DNA test and it can be easily cheated).

admin · 13-06-2011, 23:37

BTW: the french breeder knows the person who will confirm that the dogs are mixes of American Wolfdog and CsW. And he knows exactly that this person is saying the true. Simply said: the fairy tales about "good breeding of pure CsW" are over...

admin · 13-06-2011, 23:42

Once more: Unca comes from USA. From this kennel:
http://www.wolfhybrids.com
The breeders are breeding Malamute/GSD/Tundra mixes (there can be even more breeds "inside" as nobody cares for pedigrees there).

I hope everybody can see the similarities between the "French wolfish CsW" and their REAL family from USA:
http://www.wolfhybrids.com/HollywoodsPage.htm

Lorry - MLS · 13-06-2011, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admin

BTW: I really do not understand your problem - why so many people here want to hide the true? ).

C'est à moi, que vous dites celà ???? la vérité, je cherche à la connaître pour ce qui concerne ma propre production....

Je fais des tests ADN avec filiation depuis 2007 de toute ma production, ça ne m'empèche pas d'être l'éleveuse française, la plus ridiculisée et affublée d'une quantité halluçinante de MIX, parcequ'une personne de votre forum, se moque pas mal de la vérité (comme vous dites si bien) et se plait à inventer des lignées entières, avec des prénoms de chiens qui n'existent même pas à la SCC !!....

Je crois que vous êtes mal placée Margo, pour parler de Vérité avec moi !

Pour ce qui est de la difficulté de faire des tests ADN (sans l'autorisation) je connais aussi la difficulté que celà représente .....
Pourquoi croyez vous que j'ai envoyé tous les certificats ADN en Tchèquie ???? apparement en vain ...

chloé · 13-06-2011, 23:57

et du coup que faudrait il faire enlever les"faux" pedigree à ces chiens? ça me fait un peu sourire sachant qu'il est possible d'inscrire des chiens à titre initiale donc on peut ce ramener avec un ba x nordique un peu typé (le croisement et parfois tres ressemblant) et ça passera

Diesel · 14-06-2011, 01:48

I think you just don't know what is really Uncas.
I'm sure Robert is not interesting in Czech Wolfdog.
But i will ask him about that.

Diesel · 14-06-2011, 02:05

Here is Unca, can you tell me where you can see Northern Breed?
Ears are typical wolf.
Mask is one of the two typical US North American Wolf, the one which is close to the European wolf but lower and closed.
Fur is very dark brown.
From what i saw to the puppies of Louve Blanche, ears, mask and colour are far from him.
I will call this week.

admin · 14-06-2011, 02:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel

Mask is one of the two typical US North American Wolf, the one which is close to the European wolf but lower and closed.

Maybe the mask is similar - maybe because of it some of the mixed dogs registed with the falsed pedigrees look similar to CsW.
But genetically the similarity of American Wolf and European Wolf is similar to the relationship between Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and chihuahua...

Brunoguss · 14-06-2011, 07:37

Bonjour,

Hihi je me disais bien que c'était bizarre que les US restaient dans l'ombre pour l'instant.

Resumons entre les MIX de loup, de saarloos et maintenant d'US est il possible qu'il subsiste ça et là un CLT dit pur....

Proposition à Margo, pour simplifier la lecture de la base données ne plus mettre derrière les chiens suspects l'appelation MIX mais bien l'appelation TRUE derrière les indiscutables cela sera plus lisible car il y en aura peu....

Unca est magnifique.

Enjoy CL - Amitié Bruno

14-06-2011, 01:48	#6
Diesel Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 392	I think you just don't know what is really Uncas. I'm sure Robert is not interesting in Czech Wolfdog. But i will ask him about that. __________________ http://clus.pro-forums.fr/forum.htm

14-06-2011, 02:05	#7
Diesel Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 392	Here is Unca, can you tell me where you can see Northern Breed? Ears are typical wolf. Mask is one of the two typical US North American Wolf, the one which is close to the European wolf but lower and closed. Fur is very dark brown. From what i saw to the puppies of Louve Blanche, ears, mask and colour are far from him. I will call this week. __________________ http://clus.pro-forums.fr/forum.htm

14-06-2011, 07:37	#9
Brunoguss Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tournai Posts: 839	Bonjour, Hihi je me disais bien que c'était bizarre que les US restaient dans l'ombre pour l'instant. Resumons entre les MIX de loup, de saarloos et maintenant d'US est il possible qu'il subsiste ça et là un CLT dit pur.... Proposition à Margo, pour simplifier la lecture de la base données ne plus mettre derrière les chiens suspects l'appelation MIX mais bien l'appelation TRUE derrière les indiscutables cela sera plus lisible car il y en aura peu.... Unca est magnifique. Enjoy CL - Amitié Bruno __________________ www.brunoguss.magix.net

13-06-2011, 23:37	#2
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	BTW: the french breeder knows the person who will confirm that the dogs are mixes of American Wolfdog and CsW. And he knows exactly that this person is saying the true. Simply said: the fairy tales about "good breeding of pure CsW" are over...

13-06-2011, 23:42	#3
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	Once more: Unca comes from USA. From this kennel: http://www.wolfhybrids.com The breeders are breeding Malamute/GSD/Tundra mixes (there can be even more breeds "inside" as nobody cares for pedigrees there). I hope everybody can see the similarities between the "French wolfish CsW" and their REAL family from USA: http://www.wolfhybrids.com/HollywoodsPage.htm

13-06-2011, 23:57	#5
chloé Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: lyon Posts: 405	et du coup que faudrait il faire enlever les"faux" pedigree à ces chiens? ça me fait un peu sourire sachant qu'il est possible d'inscrire des chiens à titre initiale donc on peut ce ramener avec un ba x nordique un peu typé (le croisement et parfois tres ressemblant) et ça passera