Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

As far as I understand (but I can still not get it right ), some dogs, who are officially children of Galiba, might be in fact children of the red saarlos.

Originally Posted by Morian

and at polish forum it was written that red saarlos-alike pups were born by cryings from "r", "s" and "t" litters

OK, so does that mean that these litters' DNA would be helpful or not?

There was some information posted that said that there was no way to test for paternity from say 2 half siblings that are said to share the same father, one would need the father's DNA as well.

What I am asking is, which dogs can be TESTED by DNA and be useful to solve this puzzle, not just those which are said to be affected litters?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

What I am asking is, which dogs can be TESTED by DNA and be useful to solve this puzzle, not just those which are said to be affected litters?

We need the blood of Dvorak, the red Saarloos and possible father of these litters, to compare in paternity test with its possible sons (dogs which had red or "saarloos looking like" pups).

Of course praying that there was only Dvorak at Edith kennel, and no other Saarloos.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

We need the blood of Dvorak, the red Saarloos and possible father of these litters, to compare in paternity test with its possible sons (dogs which had red or "saarloos looking like" pups).

Of course praying that there was only Dvorak at Edith kennel, and no other Saarloos.

So if the blood of Dvorak is never gotten, this mystery will not be solved by DNA?

[Jennin Lauma]

I still think that comparison between supposed siblings & half-siblings can be done.
I know cases in Finland where such has been made with results that leave no questions if the dogs are truly siblings or not. Allthough these cases I know have not been wolfdogs but other breeds.

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Jennin Lauma

I still think that comparison between supposed siblings & half-siblings can be done.
I know cases in Finland where such has been made with results that leave no questions if the dogs are truly siblings or not. Allthough these cases I know have not been wolfdogs but other breeds.

i heard about such cases too.

[jmvdwiel]

I also think that it is possibly to find out if dog are related as halfbrother/sister but only by a qualified geneticus, and I think you need to have more siblings that just 2.
Because there is an possibility that 2 siblings from the same litter share no genes with each other , ofcourse they have half of their dna form the father and the other half from the mother.

there is an other thing which makes the comparison difficult and that is that te csw is inbreeded this means that probably my dogs shares genes with not close unrelated dogs also... that makes the comparison difficult.

I get the impression that none of the involved breeders wants to get an answer to this matter, maybe more that one breeder made a mistake? or maybe this red was in the breed already for a long period? all of this can only be solved by comparing a lot of DNA samples..... the question is... who is going to pay for it? and who wants to do the comparison?
And what if the result is not what you wanted?

[Morian]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

who is going to pay for it? and who wants to do the comparison?

some people can help including me for example. i think all people really interested in the breed want to do it.

[Shadowlands]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

who is going to pay for it? and who wants to do the comparison?
And what if the result is not what you wanted?

Split between all the people who want to be involved, the cost will be relatively small. What price do you put on peace of mind, on the ability to move forwards and not be worrying about the long lasting effects of this 'mistake'?

A final, official result is all that true guardians of the breed want - whatever that result is.