Demoniak de la Louve Blanche

[jefta]

Originally Posted by LadyJessy

I do not understand where you see the Saarloosm or American wd!!!

On first foto in head expression

[LadyJessy]

.....it is true .... are just equal!

[tupacs2legs]

I am new to the breed,but even I see saarloos in that picture too.... And 'what's the problem with shy dogs'? It is not typical or desirable in the csv's standard! So shy dogs shouldn't be bred from

[LadyJessy]

Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
The breed was created by crossing a Wolf and a German Shepherd ... Consequently, at the beginning we couldn't expect brave dogs! We change the nature over the years and we're still doing ... But I repeat, there are now many more shy dogs!
Maybe in the future they will all be brave!

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by LadyJessy

Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
The breed was created by crossing a Wolf and a German Shepherd ... Consequently, at the beginning we couldn't expect brave dogs! We change the nature over the years and we're still doing ... But I repeat, there are now many more shy dogs!
Maybe in the future they will all be brave!

Sorry, but this is simply not true.

[ArImInIuM]

and again in france .....



http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/6299

is not "louve blanche" but is very CWD .............

[LadyJessy]

What is not true Michael?
I know a lot of Csw and many more of this are shy...
In their home are good but in expo or at the street are so shy... This is not god it't true! But is really!

For example ... The attack on the sleeve. I'm not an expert in this field but a friend explained to me that the dog must enter for the first time in a "field" and when person come out the dog should attack or otherwise not show signs of fear. Most people train the dog to do this action. This doesn't make the brave dog, but you get used to do and train a specific action.

The Czechoslovakian wolfdog isn't born brave, not usually ...
We will train you to be!

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by LadyJessy

What is not true Michael?
I know a lot of Csw and many more of this are shy...
In their home are good but in expo or at the street are so shy... This is not god it't true! But is really!

It´s me, Ina not Michael.
I know CSW since 1997 and I know several hundreds of them in different countries.
You don´t almost see any genetically shy dog nowadays in Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Germany, Poland. I have seen dogs from France and Italy and Belgium all of them not shy.
In the past it was very funny that the same lines weren´t shy in the countries of origin but in Germany. It was simply the owners fault. We changed a lot of things, we talked to people and nowadays even normal judges that have seen the breed from it´s beginning in Germany come to us and tell us that there has been an enormous improvement.

Originally Posted by LadyJessy

For example ... The attack on the sleeve. I'm not an expert in this field but a friend explained to me that the dog must enter for the first time in a "field" and when person come out the dog should attack or otherwise not show signs of fear. Most people train the dog to do this action. This doesn't make the brave dog, but you get used to do and train a specific action.

The Czechoslovakian wolfdog isn't born brave, not usually ...
We will train you to be!

This doesn´t seem to be a person with much knowledge of normal dog behaviour or training. And braveness could be called stupidity in that behalf.
If you see so many shy dogs in your place you should go to other places and look how the dogs of the same origin behave there. If they behave different it´s a problem of people not dogs.
And if you see Wolfcrosses and Saarloos as no problem in this breed because they are soooo beautifull then I can tell you that those animals are extremely often genetically shy and their offspring is quite likely to become shy. This is one of the main reasons why people want the dogs out of illegal crossings banned out of the breed. They destroy their working ability and charakter.
And they give a totally wrong impression of the breed and attrack people that are getting CSW for their wolfish looks and see this kind of charakter as normal for this breed. It is not!

Ina

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by LadyJessy

What is not true Michael?
I know a lot of Csw and many more of this are shy...
In their home are good but in expo or at the street are so shy... This is not god it't true! But is really!

and? you want say this is NORMAL and typical? and this animals mas go to breed and we all mas say oh they have a wolf blood and mas be shy? SORRY but NOT.

read this:
BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, capable of endurance, docile with quick reactions. Fearless and courageous. Suspicious. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses.

[ArImInIuM]

you can proceed to the dark color of wolf dog



http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/9634




Namtar z Peronówki

and






http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/15715

but we never said that in these marriages there was rewetting ..........

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by LadyJessy

Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
The breed was created by crossing a Wolf and a German Shepherd ... Consequently, at the beginning we couldn't expect brave dogs! We change the nature over the years and we're still doing ... But I repeat, there are now many more shy dogs!
Maybe in the future they will all be brave!

If your country has a problem with a majority of shy dogs then I encourage more breeders in your country to breed from dogs with correct temperament. There won't magically be more dogs with correct temperaments in the future if everyone breeds from shy dogs. It's common sense. ..

[Rona]

Originally Posted by LadyJessy

Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
!

Ina is right! I know lots of normal, well socialized vlcaks that aren't shy at all, and just a couple shy ones.

Your vision of the breed must be really seriously destorted if you make a statement like this! Such claims only confirm that something is wrong with breeding, training, selection... Haven't you read the breed standard?

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

If you see so many shy dogs in your place you should go to other places and look how the dogs of the same origin behave there.

Agree 100%!

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

...how the dogs of the same origin behave there. If they behave different it´s a problem of people not dogs.

Well, it might also be a problem of dogs... if the origin is the same only on paper, it wouldn't work...

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Rona

Well, it might also be a problem of dogs... if the origin is the same only on paper, it wouldn't work...

But would be another proof.

Ina

[Juri Z.P.]

Hy Jessica ,
you remember Juri, last year - in Italy?,
that's normal Standard...!
You remember what you tell me, Juri a very open dog - this is normal-Standard!


We see us soon

Mariana

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Juri Z.P.

Hy Jessica ,
you remember Juri, last year - in Italy?,
that's normal Standard...!
You remember what you tell me, Juri a very open dog - this is normal-Standard!
We see us soon
Mariana

YES, Juri is TYPICAL normal dog with typical behavior-with this behavior who have now almost all CSW who I saw in Germany, Poland, Slovak, Rusia, Lithuania, Czech Republic.
When, example, people want buy a CSW in Lithuania they first want a THIS behavior, when I not meet a people who want a wolfish but shy dog, they want this behavior who are in standart, later is important animal who is a similar to wolf, but not like a wolf, only similar.
Why I speak about this- If you friends want a breed a wolf- mix - OK make this, only WHY this animals mas have a falsh pedigree, why not can breed this like a American wolfdogs- without pedigrees, this AW have a fans and have a clients who want buy this. Why mas fals pedigree and sale this poore animals like pure CSW with standart anatomy and behavior when they this NOT HAVE? from what you and friends want a CSW pedigree?