Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

wolfin · 08-06-2011, 22:52

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Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

We also know that not all breeders are always honest about 'not normal' pups, and sometimes they just disappear as if they never were born... what you can't see in my dogs it's simple not there.

sory but this dog in photo and others example not are typical GSD with pure SV pedigree.
like this brown CSV, why mutation have and sarlos anatomy? not to strange?

p.s. I speak with this breeder who know all " who hapened in breed" and say all who is who. and I believe in they info, when know they are good breeder who realy love breed and make all for breed goodnes. in this case I not believe in falsh info about GSD with SV pedigree

wolfin · 08-06-2011, 22:56

p.s. this jpg abouyt GSD color are DNA testing result about this, I think if exist atypical color DNA testing mas say this too.

yukidomari · 08-06-2011, 23:48

Maybe I'm wrong but if I assume that red may come from GSD than I can also assume that CsV may also show up in blue color, white color, all black color, etc, since all these are colors found in GSDs..... but in my limited experience and knowledge of CsV I have not seen one like this in any gallery or history, and if I saw one today I would also think it was a recent mix..

wolfin · 08-06-2011, 23:58

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Maybe I'm wrong but if I assume that red may come from GSD than I can also assume that CsV may also show up in blue color, white color, all black color, etc, since all these are colors found in GSDs..... but in my limited experience and knowledge of CsV I have not seen one like this in any gallery or history, and if I saw one today I would also think it was a recent mix..

in CSV are wolfgrey GSD blood - I think we mas see in this color table and try understand who is wolfgrey GSD gens and can this dogs have others gens or not ( if this are like resesive gens in this case grey GSD not can have others color puppy ) I hope i explain who I have in my mind

yukidomari · 09-06-2011, 00:00

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Originally Posted by wolfin

in CSV are wolfgrey GSD blood - I think we mas see in this color table and try understand who is wolfgrey GSD gens and can this dogs have others gens or not ( if this are like resesive gens in this case grey GSD not can have others color puppy ) I hope i explain who I have in my mind

I think I understand, yes. Do you mean only phenotype sable GSDs were used in foundation?

wolfin · 09-06-2011, 00:02

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

I think I understand, yes. Do you mean only phenotype sable GSDs were used in foundation?

from this info who we can search - yes wolfgreyh working line GSD - this same GSD now work in army and policie and are grey too ( or black and very smal procent are black and tan like show GSD)

jmvdwiel · 09-06-2011, 00:47

Coat color is an interesting subject, and what I did understand not an easy thing to understand.

There are different genes for coat color and patern, and the mixing of these things do make the color of the coat we actually see on our dog.

There is a gen for the coat color in GSD it is B (black) en b (brown)
B is dominat over b
BB is black
Bb is black
bb is brown

Then there is a patern of the coat, wolfgrey and sable are coat paterns.
This means those genes wil tell where the black/brown color is showing on our dog and that on some parts of the dog the black is not visible.

Then there is a dilution gen......
When you coat color is black geneticly it wil show on the dog as a blue color.
When your coat color is brown geneticly it wil show on the dog as a lighter version liver?

Maybe someone here can tell us more about this thing coat color, as i find it very hard stuff to deal with. And there can always be a spontanious mutation of a gen...... like the Panda german shepherd.

08-06-2011, 22:56	#2
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	p.s. this jpg abouyt GSD color are DNA testing result about this, I think if exist atypical color DNA testing mas say this too. __________________

08-06-2011, 23:48	#3
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Maybe I'm wrong but if I assume that red may come from GSD than I can also assume that CsV may also show up in blue color, white color, all black color, etc, since all these are colors found in GSDs..... but in my limited experience and knowledge of CsV I have not seen one like this in any gallery or history, and if I saw one today I would also think it was a recent mix..

09-06-2011, 00:47	#7
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	Coat color is an interesting subject, and what I did understand not an easy thing to understand. There are different genes for coat color and patern, and the mixing of these things do make the color of the coat we actually see on our dog. There is a gen for the coat color in GSD it is B (black) en b (brown) B is dominat over b BB is black Bb is black bb is brown Then there is a patern of the coat, wolfgrey and sable are coat paterns. This means those genes wil tell where the black/brown color is showing on our dog and that on some parts of the dog the black is not visible. Then there is a dilution gen...... When you coat color is black geneticly it wil show on the dog as a blue color. When your coat color is brown geneticly it wil show on the dog as a lighter version liver? Maybe someone here can tell us more about this thing coat color, as i find it very hard stuff to deal with. And there can always be a spontanious mutation of a gen...... like the Panda german shepherd.